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     skulldisco Member Username: Skulldisco Post Number: 784 Registered: 10-2008 |
http://www.factmag.com/2010/08/23/domino -to-release-seven-disc-orange-juice-box- set/ http://www.dominorecordco.com/uk/albums/ 20-08-10/coals-to-newcastle-boxset/ | ||
| Charles Coy Member Username: Coy Post Number: 198 Registered: 10-2006 |
Thanks Skull | ||
| Andrew Kerr Member Username: Andrew_k Post Number: 586 Registered: 04-2005 |
OK that's my (early) Xmas present to myself sorted then ! On a very pedantic note, why put clips of OGWT on the DVD and not the performances from C4 'The Switch' ? The latter were much better. And the 'Dada with the Juice' is pretty ropey... | ||
| fsh Member Username: Fsh Post Number: 217 Registered: 05-2005 |
Dada with Juice - 'rare posthumous concert video' (per Domino website) - shops couldn't give it away for years, decades even ... Box sets are for pedants and sticking four 'Rip it up' era tracks on the end of the YCHYLF Cd .....ahhh! Thankfully, Edwyn has greater things to keep himself busy these days, and he's right. Saw him play the 100 Club in London about a month ago and really enjoyed the performance. | ||
| fsh Member Username: Fsh Post Number: 218 Registered: 05-2005 |
Hate the name as well ... 'Coals to Newcastle' .. ... so I'm definitely going buy one and who knows maybe even two. | ||
| skulldisco Member Username: Skulldisco Post Number: 911 Registered: 10-2008 |
has anybody sprung for this yet? personally speaking wouldnt pay any more than £25 for this - looks to be lots of filler given that some of the albums were ropey imo anyway. who knows, maybe time has been kind to these albums, havent heard them for the best part of 20 years, maybe longer. | ||
| Jeff Whiteaker Member Username: Jeff_whiteaker Post Number: 2090 Registered: 10-2004 |
Orange Juice's albums were all patchy. I can't listen to any of them all the way through. But they all contained some truly great songs. I pretty much already have everything I need by them. | ||
| andreas Member Username: Andreas Post Number: 820 Registered: 04-2006 |
o.k., here i am. i have bought it. i ever liked orange juice (and all of the edwyn collins solo albums till today. maybe e.c. solo i like a bit more ). box sets are an ambivalent thing. sometimes they are really great and sometimes they are only made to pull out the money of the fan's wallet. in this case i am happy with the box, just because i haven't all the albums on cd and my vinyl is in a worn out condition. i listened to two cd's until now: texas fever and the self titled last album of the band. my favourites of orange juice. and this music stands the test of time. the box contains everything they recorded and released in the one or other way (some stuff they gave away for free with the one or other album (flexi disc and cassettes). so you can find a lot of doubling. nevertheless i am happy with it and i never saw the videos and the dada with juice thing (until this morning). so, therefore, i am hapy with it. but for sure if you aren't a big fan or have all that stuff it isn't a need. the booklet is o.k, but for an not english native speaker like me it is really hard to understand all (english is not english). cheers | ||
| andreas Member Username: Andreas Post Number: 823 Registered: 04-2006 |
appendix: i envy fsh who saw edwyn collins live in august. he played in berlin in september. unfortunately this event was a festival. also gang of four played there (and the one or other interesting band/musician). but i hate this festival thing. too expensive, too much bands, too much stages, too much peoples. and the weather is an important thing too. so , i decided not to gow which was pretty hard as i not only love mr.c ollins music, but also are an admirer of gang of four. | ||
| fsh Member Username: Fsh Post Number: 226 Registered: 05-2005 |
Saw Edwyn & Co. playing last night in Liverpool cathedral (venue = wow) and in Preston on Friday. The band sound fanastique and Edwyn's pipes are better than ever. I got speaking to Edwyn and told him you were feeling envious so he decided to set up a few dates in Germany. He can't make it over until next month though: DECEMBER 6th - BRUSSELS, ANCIENNE BELGIQUE www.abconcerts.be 7th - COLOGNE STADTGARTEN www.eventim.de 8th - MUNICH AMPERE www.muenchenticket.de 9th - SCHORNDORF MANUFAKTURwww.club-manufaktur.de 11th ATP, MINEHEAD, SOMERSET (with Teenage Fanclub) http://www.atpfestival.com/events/bowlie 2.php If there's any more I can I do for you, let me know. | ||
| andreas Member Username: Andreas Post Number: 828 Registered: 04-2006 |
what a service!!! that is very nice, but unfortuantely the places he will grace with his presence are too far away for me. that's a pity, but it seems that mr. collins is in a good mood and maybe he will return to germany once again. for now: many thanks for your kind offer. i will think about which one of my favourite artists you can convince to put up his ... and come over to germany. | ||
| skulldisco Member Username: Skulldisco Post Number: 935 Registered: 10-2008 |
jesus, this reviewer takes himself incredibly seriously and wins this years "just out of college and desperate to show they have a degree in english" award 2010. i'll be kind to you all and just post the last paragraph "Exuberant and often celebratory though they could be, there was also a definite sense that their tweeness was vindicated by a canny incorporation of a form of frippery, which preternaturally injected their music with a sense of progressiveness when pitched against the achingly adult and often unremittingly bleak landscape of the post-punk aesthetic. Yet this new monolithic collection of material serves in part to bolster a nagging feeling that Orange Juice will remain a heartening yet ultimately throwaway excursion into the middle class inanity of an ethos that became a codified genre" | ||
| Andrew Kerr Member Username: Andrew_k Post Number: 598 Registered: 04-2005 |
Pseuds corner alert above... And on another attempt to sum up the appeal of the Juice, I remember coming out of an OJ gig in Glasgow and my best pal said 'That was better than sex !' His girlfriend promptly hit him with her handbag. The price of this release does seem a little steep, but I'll be shelling out at some point. Edwyn has brought me enough joy in my life that at least I can repay him a little. | ||
| Jerry Clark Member Username: Jerry Post Number: 1057 Registered: 08-2004 |
'Frippery', that's more of a King Crimson thing. | ||
| Jeff Whiteaker Member Username: Jeff_whiteaker Post Number: 2100 Registered: 10-2004 |
Wow, what a heinously bad, pretentious, *and* off-the-mark review! | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 3713 Registered: 05-2005 |
Kevin, stop posting my reviews online. | ||
| andreas Member Username: Andreas Post Number: 829 Registered: 04-2006 |
btw: anyone read this? http://thequietus.com/articles/05129-mar k-e-smith-blasts-bottles-mumford-sons good ole MES | ||
| Jerry Clark Member Username: Jerry Post Number: 1058 Registered: 08-2004 |
MES would be a blast on Twitter. | ||
| skulldisco Member Username: Skulldisco Post Number: 936 Registered: 10-2008 |
:-) Padraig he's not in your league ;-) | ||
| skulldisco Member Username: Skulldisco Post Number: 937 Registered: 10-2008 |
And just to prove he's not in your league Padraig, I will post the whole review. Anybody who includes the word "doxa" in the first sentence needs shooting. Strap in for a bumpy ride!! BTW,the review is from quietus.com. "The prevailing doxa vis-a-vis Orange Juice is that they mediated a certain form of insular dissatisfaction with the dour personal/political hypochondria of their post-punk forerunners and peers. Indeed, they are intermittently feted as having presciently tapped into a stream of hitherto unexplored and, at the time, resolutely unfashionable longing for a smidgen of a pre year-zero remystyification of the pop formulae. A beguiling legacy perhaps for a suburban group of Velvet Underground acolytes, but one which served as a subsequent litmus test of the twin aesthetic and ideological victories and failures of both the mutated punk and new pop. Edwyn Collins' early propensity for employing reassuringly subversive anti-machismo amid the deceptive conventionality of actual love songs imbued Orange Juice with an entirely syncretic musical language, eventually redolent of the most gloriously stilted of white boy punk-funk. Tenderness, innocence and feyness abounded. And it would become intertwined with what was a perennially androgynised mode of narrative expression, annexing traditional conservative notions of the glamorous erotic pursuit and recasting the role of the assertive and intimidating female attempting to ensnare the serially uninterested and nervously bookish male. A version of sexual politics prevalent amongst contemporaneous groups of the Young Sound of Scotland, yet rarely echoed with quite as much foppish relish. Sonically though, Orange Juice maintained a similarly re-interpretative approach, forging a rhythmic endpoint devoid of the unseemly brashness of punk buzz and cross pollinated with the curt incisiveness of Nile Rodgers. Coals To Newcastle, Domino's questionably exhaustive CD/DVD box-set, charts the groups eventual synthesis of this agitated garage primitivism with the palpably day-glo byword for what would become the hallmarks of the new pop. Yet there was a relative rawness there too, early on. In particular, an unreleased first LP and previously available singles collection impressively manages to provide evidence of an embryonic psycho-navigation of the deteritorrialized no man's land between the early VU and a brand of socially inhibited aggro funk. Although more obviously located in the 303/sax re-enforcements of their Rip It Up era ascendency, the trembly Roger Mcguinn worshipping 'Consolation Prize' remains the most oddly inspiring of all Orange Juice's initial gropes for greatness. Collins is, of course, "too delicate" yet triumphantly reassures himself with a series of gradually more celebratory declamations of unsuitably for the expected gender role society has bequeathed him: "I'll never be man enough for you!". Such a charming expressions of frailty are frequently unearthed on debut LP You Cant Hide Your Love Forever, and would most likely be misread as irony in our current comments box culture, with earnestness often utilized as a façade to blurt out Vice exalted moral relativism. But an organic melding of precognitive disco funk and conspicuous shards of Gretsch chime imbue the likes of 'Falling and Laughing' with enough paired down tension to render such earnestness sonically measured. In some quarters their most celebrated effort, Rip It Up arrived replete with invasively obvious brass stabs and lyrical simplifications that served to tease out the forthcoming alleviation of textural tension and onset of thematic polarity that was to come. Yet there are tantalising wee possibilities of alternative sonic futures, from the Tony Allen inspired rhythmic complexity of newly acquired drummer Zeke Manyika through to Collins wholesale embracing of a libidinous primacy that cross pollinated a polyrhythmic headcharge and his well developed sense of literary irony to ravishing effect. Such musical equdistance was never quite fully recaptured by the group as they slog on through the doleful predictability of Texas Fever, yet somehow arrive at the criminally underrated The Orange Juice, a record so seemingly comfortable with its own trajectory of longed for mannerism and outrageously exoticised grandeur that the fizzled out guitar contortions and end of the bottle soul croon of Collins detached laments retain an arresting effectiveness. Its the sheer emptiness of the romantic possibilities on offer here that most jar with the sugar rush fringe flappery of Orange Juice V.1, yet the unflinching bitterness unfolding during the likes of 'Out For The Count' gesture at a band as occasionally reliant on emotional dissection as rhythmic dissemination. Exuberant and often celebratory though they could be, there was also a definite sense that their tweeness was vindicated by a canny incorporation of a form of frippery, which preternaturally injected their music with a sense of progressiveness when pitched against the achingly adult and often unremittingly bleak landscape of the post-punk aesthetic. Yet this new monolithic collection of material serves in part to bolster a nagging feeling that Orange Juice will remain a heartening yet ultimately throwaway excursion into the middle class inanity of an ethos that became a codified genre." | ||
| Jeff Whiteaker Member Username: Jeff_whiteaker Post Number: 2101 Registered: 10-2004 |
I can't believe I read that... On another subject entirely - say what you will about MES, but his wife Eleni Poulou sure is hot. | ||
| skulldisco Member Username: Skulldisco Post Number: 938 Registered: 10-2008 |
She sure is Jeff. I am going throught a phase just now where I just cant get enough of The Fall, especially the mid 80's stuff. Perverted by Language, Wonderful and Frightening...., This Nations... and Bend Sinister have been getting seriouly caned for the last 2 or 3 weeks. I used to think Grotesque and Hex Enduction Hour were the two best albums, I'll need to review that now. Either way, that hot streak from Grotesque to Bend Sinister shows amazing consistency, not to say brilliance, unmatched by any other British band of the era imo. | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 3715 Registered: 05-2005 |
That review is meaningless drivel. That's my doxa anyway. | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 3716 Registered: 05-2005 |
Zadie Smith's review of The Social Network the New York Review of Books is a touch pretentious too, though nothing compared to that awfulness above. Ms Smith writes that: "In The Social Network Generation Facebook gets a movie almost worthy of them, and this fact, being so unexpected, makes the film feel more delightful than it probably, objectively, is." Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar Zadie, and in this case a great film is a great film. It doesn't need you wishing you could only have enjoyed it less. |