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     spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 329 Registered: 05-2005 |
As there seems to be a Factory Tendency amongst us, what are your faves, can be any sond from anywhere...? 1 New Order Ceremony 2 Joy Division Shadowplay 3 A certain ratio - Flight 4 DURUTTI COLUMN LC 5 happy Mondays Hallellulah | ||
| Andrewnz Member Username: Andrewnz Post Number: 13 Registered: 08-2005 |
Tunnelvision - Watching the Hydroplanes Stockholm Monsters - Partyline New Order - 586 Joy Division - Atmosphere Durutti Column - Our Lady of the Angels | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 286 Registered: 05-2005 |
shack up - a certain ratio atmosphere - joy division age of consent - new order wrote for luck - happy mondays these days - joy division | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 260 Registered: 04-2005 |
My five would all be Joy Division and New Order songs, even though that discounts everybody else on the label. I think you guys have nailed the best of them already. | ||
| Jeff Whiteaker Member Username: Jeff_whiteaker Post Number: 282 Registered: 10-2004 |
another tough list. i could've easily just listed a bunch of new order and joy division songs, but to be fair, i restricted myself to one song per band. here goes: new order - ceremony joy division - disorder durutti column - messidor section 25 - inspiration the wake - talk about the past honorable mentions: acr - knife slits water the names - nightshift stockholm monsters - terror swamp children - can't remember the name of the song, but she says "so hot" a whole lot. crepuscule/benelux/operation twilight, etc... factory sister labels: pale fountains - just a girl (original vers) josef k - sorry for laughing ludus - let me go where my pictures go crispy ambulance - concorde square thick pigeon - dog | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 330 Registered: 05-2005 |
jeff nice link with crepuscule my benelux related contributions would be: Wim Mertens - Close Cover Josef K - Missionary Heyday - Sad and Blue Richard Jobson - Armoury Show Winston Tong - Theoretically Chinese | ||
| Hardin Smith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 296 Registered: 03-2006 |
Don't really know much about Factory, but really enjoyed the movie largely about it, "24 Hour Party People"...maybe that's because I don't know enough about the history involved to be offended by any inaccuracies - I just thought it was entertaining. Anybody else see it, like it? I was reminded of it reading James Wolcott's blog yesterday...he remarked on a really funny line from it: (it) includes one of my favorite movie lines--when Coogan puts wise a rocker who wants to branch out into jazz improv with the immortal words, "Just remember, my son, jazz is the last refuge of the untalented." | ||
| Jeff Whiteaker Member Username: Jeff_whiteaker Post Number: 305 Registered: 10-2004 |
Hardin - I did enjoy "24 Hour Party People," and it was cool to see all the cameos from people like Vini Reilly, Mark E. Smith, and Howard Devoto. But I mainly enjoyed the first half. To this day, I've never been able to understand the appeal of the Happy Mondays, and while it was interesting and kind of sad to see what happened to Manchester with the whole E-fueled "Madchester" phase, I really wasn't so interested in seeing the second half of the film pretty much dominated by the Happy Mondays story. Maybe it's totally different in the UK, but for me it's really hard to see any reason why the Mondays are worth remembering. But I think an entire film could've been made out of the Joy Division story. | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 274 Registered: 04-2005 |
You're right, Jeff--and indeed, there's an Ian Curtis/JD bio pic in the works. http://members.aol.com/lwtua/these.htm | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 300 Registered: 05-2005 |
I've loved 24 Hour Party People since I first saw it in the cinema. I once watched it three times in 24 hours when I rented it from the store. I've since gotten the DVD. It's one of my favourite ever films. I think what gets me about it is that it's modern history, a lot of which I lived through vicariously through the pages of Melody Maker. What I saw on screen was very close to what I read about in MM. | ||
| Hardin Smith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 299 Registered: 03-2006 |
Happy Mondays seem like they'd be fun to party with... that is if you lived through it! | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 275 Registered: 04-2005 |
I watched the 24 Hour Party People DVD with a couple of friends who are vegan activists. The scene where the Happy Mondays poisoned all the pigeons on the rooftop made my friends quite unhappy and I was afraid they were going to demand we stop watching, but in the end, they grudgingly admitted they enjoyed the film. | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 327 Registered: 05-2005 |
Wasnt there a scene when Howard Devoto copped off with Tony Wilsons girlfriend, in a toilet or something? | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 302 Registered: 05-2005 |
It was Wilson's then wife. Devoto says it never happened. | ||
| Matt Ellis Member Username: Matt_ellis Post Number: 98 Registered: 11-2004 |
24 Hour Party people is my favourite film behind 'Trainspotting'. I absolutely love the character of the late Rob Gretton (I had only heard of him by name before seeing the film) Gretton is played by Paddy Consadine (who I have seen listed in many films since 24HRP) I have no idea how accurate the portrail of Gretton is. I think one of the earlier scenes with cameo from Mark E. Smith is hilarious: Wilson bumps into Gretton outside the Hacienda and asks him if he wants 'half a larger'. Gretton replies very dryly in Manchester brogue 'you can get me a pint'. It cracks me up everytime! maybe its the Northerner in me - I'd be suprised if anyone else remembers the scene from memory! On a final note - has anyone seen the 24HPP Bonus DVD? I found it a big let down. Miranda Sawyer does her best to interview a whole load of hard to identify Factory related folk who look incredibly bored. As per usual Peter Hook acts like a right prat. It was interesting to see that he was fairly negative of Tony Wilson. | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 352 Registered: 05-2005 |
I remember the scene well, the script was very clever. The comedic pieces like the Howard Devoto scene in the bog... Seen the bonus DVD too, Miranda is clearly out of her league. Should of let Hooky take control, he nearly does!! I don't think they look bored, just detached and cool in front of the camera. Hooky has a right to be pissed at Anthony Wilson, he squandered their loot at the Hacienda!!! However, I like Mr Wilson, a lot, he's funny, clever and daft at the same time... Overall, when you try to make a film documenting something as original as this, its bound to get slagged off, it also makes me cringe with embarressment, but, from the point of view of the film giving an insight to new generations then I am all for it. If they go out and buy Joy Division and New Order CD's then great (they obviously are!), also, The Mondays were a tremendous group. i saw them live a few times. Kinky Afro and Halleullah were awesome songs, (very original, regardless of your feelings towards the Ryder's), at the time. However, I was not into the baggy thing. I supported The Inspiral Carpets at the time of Madchester, lovely fellas, apart from the drummer, and they wer non plussed by the scene. Again, its like Postcard et al, the scene is created by outsiders, not the people looking out from within... | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 308 Registered: 05-2005 |
Matt, people who knew and loved Rob Gretton say Paddy Considine's portrayal of him was extremely accurate in every respect and this was all the more astonishing in that there was only a few minutes of Gretton on video for Considine to look at. He learned what Gretton was like by talking to his friends and family. He's a bit of a De Niro-like method actor I think. Considine really is superb. Best British actor in a very long time. Since Daniel Day Lewis at least. | ||
| Matt Ellis Member Username: Matt_ellis Post Number: 100 Registered: 11-2004 |
Another scene which has just come back to me...When The Mondays try to dupe Factory by recording a backing track of their new album without vocals. Then demand a 'randsom' in order to have vocals included. Wilson, Erasmus, Gretton and Co are listening a few minutes into the first track at Factory. Full of bravado they are really getting into the music. Then after three minutes of only instrumental music Gretton bursts the bubble 'When are the vocals going to kick in?' Again - I find his intonation hilarious. Weather in fact it happened like that is another matter. I think its really odd that part of the film is extreamly accurate down to fine detail. After watching the Coogan and Wilson overdub commentary on the film, Wilson reveals that he advises the filmakers what exact colour and model of car he had during a particular year. Wilson goes on to contradict many other scenes. I suppose artistic licence makes the film more watchable. Spence, what was the name of your band? The Inspiral Carpets were the 2nd ever indie band I got into when I was about 15. I absoultely loved 'Caravan' and the epic 'This Is How It Feels'. The first indie band I discovered was The Mock Turtles - who I much later discovered have songwriter Martin Coogan (Steve's Brother) on vocals/guitar. | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 359 Registered: 05-2005 |
Elizabeth Jane, Matt, I didn't like the name but it stuck, we supported them as they had a hit just after Joe I think, I think. We wre signed to Lazy, home of the Primitives, Birdland and My Bloody Valentine!! I was the drummer then, moved to guitar shortly after. Their drummer told me to fu*k off and go and get my own kit, 40 miles away a minute before we were due to sound check! Nice boy. They tolde me under no circumstances could we use their kit, I wouldn't mind but he was the shittest drummer, but absolutely right for them. The plac was packed, a 1,000 people in the Cod club in Birmingham June 1989. the other guys were really nice, esp Tom, the singer, he originally came from Staffordshure I think, and the bass player was a good bloke too. Clint Boon, was cgharming, saying our bands sounded a like. We turned up at the gig a bit aprehensive, as The Inspirals were in the NME the week before after scrapping with their support band Basti, over the fact that Basti wanted 2 drum kits on stage!!, So we turned up to suppport a week later not knowing what to expect!!!! Fisticuffs at dawn? No in the slightest, lovely people, as ever the press got it wrong, even though it was the NME. What had happened was that ther was a minor argument and a stool got thrown out of the pram... We'd just finished touring with The Blue Aeroplanes on the tour that got them signed to ensign, and it was great times, great bands, cheap beer and loads of bands doing great things only no audience to hear them...etc etc Great bands from C86/Indie period we played with and saw play at the time... BA's, The Wolfhounds (really awesome, think Frank Black loved them), PigBros, McCarthy, Razorcuts, Felt, Surf Drums, Raw Herbs, Band of Holy Joy, Stump, The Moodists, The Wild Flowers, early Pop Will eat itself, they sounded like the early Soup Dragons, boy they wre good, Jasmine Minks, The Laurels, etc etc | ||
| Matt Ellis Member Username: Matt_ellis Post Number: 101 Registered: 11-2004 |
I was in a band who had a drummer who flirted with guitar in our band and then suddenly quit - to go back to drums and eventually join another band. I couldn't find Elizabeth Jane in my 'bible' www.allmusic.com but i will try again to check them out. Did any of you have a Stephen Holt hair do? I used to think that style was absolutely bob on! | ||
| Jerry Clark Member Username: Jerry Post Number: 268 Registered: 08-2004 |
Spence, what's wrong with Inspirals drummer? I know Noel Gallagher roadied for them & he holds a bit of a grudge with guitarist Graham Lambert. When Noel became a zillionaire he started a label & was producing for upcoming bands one of which was Lambert's. Noel refused to work with the band unless Lambert was dropped & he was sacked on the spot. Inspirals first 2 LP's & the early EP's were brilliant. Along with the Mondays & the Roses they inadvertantly stared a scene with no punchline. The only similarities between them really were '60's influences, they never sounded alike at all. Happy Mondays were brilliant live. When I saw them they never played longer than an hour, which pissed a lot of people off when they sold out arenas. Always finished with W.F.L. which was difficult to follow, all leaving the stage while the backing track went on & on. They were really to blame for indie/dance the downside of a so-called scene that never was. Soup Dragons & Candy Flip obviously read MM & NME lokking for the next big thing & bought tickets to top of the pops infamy. | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 348 Registered: 05-2005 |
could be wrong here, but the only time that the godlike Mark E Smith has appeared on Top of the Pops was when he sang dual vocals on an Inspiral Carpets song, I think it was called I want you |