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     kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 529 Registered: 05-2005 |
Click on the 2nd link on this page to see the 50 albums http://observer.guardian.co.uk/review | ||
| Randy Adams Member Username: Randy_adams Post Number: 462 Registered: 03-2005 |
There are some interesting choices but many risible comments. The Rolling Stones were not remotely influenced by Robert Johnson; they were entirely the product of the 1950s Chess Records stable. "Sweetheart of the Rodeo" unquestionably belongs on the list but the suggestion that Willie Nelson, who had already written a number of his lifelong classics, would not have existed without it is jaw-dropping. The bias toward the 80s and 90s is pretty intense. The people who made the list clearly do not know the earlier decades of their 50 year time window. No Chuck Berry? They don't even know the older music of their own country. No Shadows? 50% of the British rock bands of the 60s owe their start to the Shads and Neil Young has many times credited Hank Marvin as one of his main influences. I realize that this list is aimed at albums but Chuck Berry and the Shadows made lots of 'em. Ask Keith Richards to name his favorite Chuck Berry album and Paul McCartney or Neil Young to name his favorite Shadows album and put it on the list. Does "Screamadelica" belong on this list? Really? "Thriller?" Just because it sold a lot of copies? Was it a big influence? "Off the Wall" is a substantially better album. | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 530 Registered: 05-2005 |
Randy, I think Screamadelica does belong. Maybe only 60% of the songs are classics but thats quite a high percentage for any album. however I think the main reason it merits inclusion on the list is because it was truly of its time, a landmark album. A bit like The Stone Roses album, however that album is musically weak for me and vastly overrated but I understand the "importance" of it. I found the list reasonably interesting, although as always with these things the little soundbites that go along with it are usually either downright incorrect, or laughable. Paul Simons South Africa exploitation album influenced by Talking Heads Fear of Music - somebody is mischief making there!! I would argue that The Stooges, Kraftwerk, Talking Heads, Bob Dylan, The Wailers, Radiohead and Nirvana made better albums than the ones listed, although maybe that would be slightly missing the point as these albums are supposed to be albums that "changed music". Although who would say that Remain in Light is less groundbreaking than Fear of Music, Low lesser than Ziggy, Blood on The Tracks lesser than BIABH, Burnin lesser than Catch A Fire, I could go on. Why have Nirvana in there when The Pixies or Sonic Youth arent? I would argue this is a case of "records sold" vs "great records". I mean, why no Surfer Rosa or Daydream Nation - these are major omissions. The most glaring omission though surely has to be Joy Division(and to a lesser extent New Order), closely followed by Neil Young. I suppose its all about opinions however, and maybe 100 albums would have left less room for arguament. | ||
| andreas Member Username: Andreas Post Number: 89 Registered: 04-2006 |
maybe the list is o.k. (but incomplete, surely), but the comments are shit. | ||
| Geoff Holmes Member Username: Geoff Post Number: 157 Registered: 05-2005 |
I can't get onto the actual list. Any ideas??? Sounds like another English list thing...everythings got to be listed and relisted again and again ad finitum. I know we're just as bad here.....but it seems the whole world is now cottoning on and I DON"T LIKE IT!!!!!!!!! (Sunday night rave) | ||
| andreas Member Username: Andreas Post Number: 92 Registered: 04-2006 |
maybe here: http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/music/news/article1185366.ece | ||
| andreas Member Username: Andreas Post Number: 93 Registered: 04-2006 |
i think the correct wording must be 'maybe there' i/o maybe here. sorry. | ||
| Randy Adams Member Username: Randy_adams Post Number: 463 Registered: 03-2005 |
Kevin, I agree about the omission of Joy Division. There's another mistake. I still can't see "Screamadelica" as influential which is what these albums are supposed to be. How about "Is This It?" I love it but that is a totally derivative album. Was it influential in any significant way? They left out the Stones because they were too derivative; they certainly should have left out the Strokes for the same reason. There's no Captain Beefheart album on the list. I know you aren't keen on him, Kevin, but Beefheart is a major component to the Fall and I'd also say Birthday Party. It would have to be "Trout Mask Replica" that would go on the list even though it's probably not anywhere near Beefheart's most listenable album. It seems to be the one that got everyone's attention the most. I decided not to criticize the choice of "Ziggy Stardust" since I have a bias against it and therefore all my opinions on it are suspect. Another big 60s omission is "It's Everly Time" from 1960. Both it and its follow-up, "A Date With the Everly Brothers," are rated as the best pre-Beatles rock albums and god knows the Everlys were influential. Another big influential album in the U.K. from the pre-Beatles period is the ten-inch "Sound of Fury" by Billy Fury. Much as I can't stand the stuff, I suspect that one of Lonnie Donegan's albums should be on the list. Again, a major influence without which we might never have had the British beat boom and with no British beat boom almost everything else on the list vanishes. | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 540 Registered: 05-2005 |
Agree with the stuff about Beefheart Randy. I like Safe as Milk, is that considered one of his best? Should Nick Drake be in the list? | ||
| Randy Adams Member Username: Randy_adams Post Number: 465 Registered: 03-2005 |
"Safe as Milk" is a forever great album but it doesn't have much of the jagged Beefheart sound that is what I think really influenced the post-punk generation of musicians. But you have made me click "Zig Zag Wanderer" on my iTunes library. Yeah, Nick Drake should probably be there. Loads of people cite him as an influence. | ||
| Michael Bachman Member Username: Michael_bachman Post Number: 131 Registered: 01-2005 |
I would argue that "Loveless" by My Bloody Valentine should be in the list. It's the touchstone for the dream-pop/shoegazer movement."Live at the Filmore East" by The Allman Brothers gave rise to the Southern Rock scene that was dominate for much of the 70's. | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 510 Registered: 05-2005 |
waste of time innit!? I mean who cares, really, journalists are desperado for something new to write about, and they ain't getting creative enuff... |