| Author | Message | ||
     spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 833 Registered: 05-2005 |
roddy frame is appearing on the second of twonights dedicated to c86, shame no real c86 bands will be playing apart from Wolfhounds who are amazing, were championed by Cobain and Pizies some time ago. I was fortunate to support em years ago, they blew us out of the club we were playin. Anyhow, anyone going? Its at the ICA, I'll be at the ICA on the saturday to see roddy and the wolfies, Pastels are djing, Christ, now iit does seem like 1986 again!! | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 1015 Registered: 05-2005 |
This should be right up your street Spence http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cd86-Tracks-Birth-Indie-Pop/dp/B000HT3KO2/ref=sr_11_1/02 6-7174865-2600421?ie=UTF8 | ||
| Andrew Kerr Member Username: Andrew_k Post Number: 142 Registered: 04-2005 |
I'm confused Spence. What has Roddy Frame got to do with that bunch of fey limp-wristed copycat indie-kids? He was surely from the C81 stable (as defined by NME give-away cassettes)? | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 834 Registered: 05-2005 |
Hi Andrew Yep sure I know, I think he's the Bob Dylan to the C86 and beyond really. I mean there's no C86 bands there. Its quite amazing. Must be a commercial thing. As much as I am a seasoned postcard, i was around and functioning as a young and stupid musician during this period, 86 - 89, which was when the period was really active. It was fun and exciting, the bands of that time meant well, yes some were fey and shite (Sea Urchins, Talulah Gosh, oithers wee ball breakingly good, Wolfhounds, Jasmine Minks, Soup Ddragons, Close Lobsters and McCarthy to name a few. Where are they on the roster?? In truth, the C86 kind have more in common with originality than todays Spew Wave, they really doi. It wasn't about money then, it is now. Cheers Kev, nice to see Mighty Mighty on there, pete and Russ from them are in Rockingham who i play drums with, they'll be chuffed to see their song on there. | ||
| Donat Member Username: Donat Post Number: 184 Registered: 11-2004 |
Now I've listened to this famed C86 comp and maybe back in '86 it was the cat's pyjamas, but it's just so dated! The Primal Scream song and the McCarthy one are probably the only two that don't sound like 1986. | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 841 Registered: 05-2005 |
You had to be there mate! | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 842 Registered: 05-2005 |
the C86 comp is in no way indicative of the bset groups best material, it was picked by a couple of journalist frineds of some of the groups. For instance, The Wolfhounds sounded like Sonic Youth in 1986, not some light guitar pop as the C86 suggests. | ||
| Donat Member Username: Donat Post Number: 186 Registered: 11-2004 |
I think so, too! I think my hopes were a little too high - I was expecting a Pet Sounds and ended up with a Smiley Smile, if you follow my Beachboyspeak. | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 843 Registered: 05-2005 |
The 'scene' got slagged, but its always the outsiders who create the scene I think. Don't get me wrong there was a helluva lotta shite around, what was quite good was that it became a platform for females to front groups like Jesse Garron and the Desperados and alike, that later fueled the Huggy Bear Rioot Girl stuff, they were good too. I suppose for me it was the closest I'd ever get to being part of (in my own small way) something that felt what it could have been like being in the Velvets/Warhol thing etc. That's what sparked Postcard and I think it diod the smae for the C86 period. What I do remember that was really quite funny was Pop Will Eat Itself in the early days they had a stand up drummer and sounded like Buzzcocks, then a year and a half later they were prancing around like white Chuck D's! They got away with it. Mind you look at Primals, Byrdsian guitars, out of tune vocals, then they became this heavy rock outfit that by 1990 changed into one of the Baggy parade... Yeah maybe C86 was a bad thing after all  | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 1021 Registered: 05-2005 |
I never liked cassettes, but I loved this http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/pop_playground/nme-c81.htm | ||
| TROU Member Username: Trou Post Number: 49 Registered: 05-2005 |
Thanks for remembering me Pop Will Eat Itself! I've never had a record of them but saw the band in support of the Mighty Lemon Drops. An unforgettable concert. I confirm, the drummer was crazy! Fine and exciting time this C86 period... | ||
| Andrew Kerr Member Username: Andrew_k Post Number: 143 Registered: 04-2005 |
Thanks for the link Kevin. Enjoyed that.I still even have the little foldout booklet that you could assemble from a page of the NME. Each of the Postcard bands were compared to a certain phase of the Velvets! The NME tapes were a great way to get to know new stuff: and old stuff too with tapes like their Pocket Jukebox. That was the first time I ever heard Nina Simone's 'My Baby Just Cares For Me' | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 851 Registered: 05-2005 |
Yes Kev great article. I still think ok, knock C86, but don't knock all the groups, like all eras there were great and shite. | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 1025 Registered: 05-2005 |
great point Spence, or to put it another way you could say there are leaders and followers. | ||
| Andrew Kerr Member Username: Andrew_k Post Number: 147 Registered: 04-2005 |
http://arts.guardian.co.uk/features/story/0,,1930836,00.html Invented indie? Slight exaggeration I feel, but maybe the Guardian's headline writer is not strictly reflecting Nicky Wire's article? Good and bad in all 'scenes' as the man (+ Spence) says. Reminds me that I saw Big Flame play in the art college Edinburgh one time, and they were pretty intense. | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 869 Registered: 05-2005 |
Phil (Wilson, June Brides) was also kind enough to point out that the ICA gigs are not really a C86 anniversary - that link being the ICA's idea rather than Bob Stanley's (St Etienne, the guy who organised it all). All the acts playing next weekend's two nights are relevant to the Hungry Beat documentary, charting indie's birth and rise from Postcard to The Stone Roses. | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 870 Registered: 05-2005 |
Andrew,thanks for that. I actually think Nicky Wire is one of the most human and honest and intelligent nusicians on the planet. He articulates the c86 very well, it sums it up for me. Atthe end of the day, whatever anyone thinks about it at least people were doing something about it and getting out there to show themselves off, DIY, rather than stating World domination on their MySpace pages,with their picture usually hiding behind an acoustic guitar, loking foppish and crap. Creation later stated Kids, doing it for themselves, so true. Richard jobson once said of the critics, I can you can't, I do you don't, i will you won't. That's what the bands of that scend did, they did it. Hats off to em. | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 1044 Registered: 05-2005 |
Spence, do McCarthy come under C86? Was playing I Am a Wallet last night, and forgot what a jangly pop masterpiece it is, although the vocalist aint much cop. Doesnt Nicky Wire occasionally bum this album up in magazines like Uncut and Mojo in those articles where they ask artists to name their fave records? | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 871 Registered: 05-2005 |
Hi Kev They were around at the time yeah, much more acomplished than most other groups. i loved I ama wallet, atthe time it was fresh, think there was a touch of the Smiths there, but great fastish playing, long titles too, similar to Manics. I liked jhis ovocals, although i could see why people wuyld think them fey. Wire usually bums wallet up yeah. I supported McCarthy in 1989. They wer nice fellas. Singer had a skinhead by that time. The bass player looked like a stockbroker. | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 759 Registered: 05-2005 |
Me too. Big McCarthy fan here. | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 872 Registered: 05-2005 |
if anyone is going to this roddy gig at the ICA on saturday evening, I'm there so, make yourselves known with a "I'm a GoBees Chatroom Atendee, do confront me" type sandwich board thingy mejig, you know type affair!! |