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     andreas Member Username: Andreas Post Number: 322 Registered: 04-2006 |
new songs, live. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99q8tn7LqcM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAZO172_rFk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlhKkI4UCUk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWsE4SdaXxg repetition, repetition mr.america walk on by..... repetition, repetition stoic excellent stuff this, isn't it? | ||
| andreas Member Username: Andreas Post Number: 323 Registered: 04-2006 |
Sanctuary says the next Fall album will be released in late January or early February 2007. That would make 2006 the first year since 1977 without any original Fall material released. Only the one cover song - Higgle-dy Piggle-dy - was recorded and released this year. | ||
| andreas Member Username: Andreas Post Number: 324 Registered: 04-2006 |
MES on Bob Dylan in the current issue of Uncut: "I think he rocked in the mid-'60s and that was about it. I just find his lyrics extremely annoying. It's like 'the moon in June', it's a rhyming dictionary. It means nothing to me. I'm allergic to it. "How would I compare my writing style to his? Hopefully not at all. I used to like a lot of New York prose, and Dylan adapted it into a phoney working-class thing that I don't think is really him. I liked Ginsberg, Burroughs, Delmore Schwartz. They were taking a lot more chances. I think the fact that so many buskers like playing Dylan's songs says his songs are a bit cheap. He did eight-minute songs, which was new at the time. But I remember when 'Hurricane' came out you'd go round people's houses and they'd play the whole fucking thing. lt's about 20 minutes long. I'd rather listen to avant-garde German music for that long, or Beethoven. "I also had the unpleasant experience of playing just before him, at Glastonbury. There were 15,000 Dylan fans there and about 500 Fall fans. I was so depressed, I walked off and fell asleep the minute he started playing. Vic Reeves came up and said 'Come on, Mark, you're missing Dylan.' I told him to go away. I don't think he's spoken to me since. "For John Cooper Clarke's generation, Dylan was all about, 'And they shouted traitor to him in Manchester...' But for me, those older rock stars were the enemy. And that music still has too much influence. Even new members of The Fall play Bob Dylan on their fucking iPod. I find it so depressing. And now he's No 1 in America again. That says a lot, doesn't it? We play with a lot of American groups at festivals, and you can see his influence. They go down one channel. It's all about women, and it's all about politics. And it goes nowhere. But these groups are so grateful to play with him. It's because he gives off a very serious, humourless New York sort of mentality. You have to be like that in America, if you want to be taken as a serious lyricist. But I can't stand that sort of reverence. In my group, they keep fucking staring at me. And I'm always, 'Look front..,' I don't like to see that sort of attitude in a musician." | ||
| andreas Member Username: Andreas Post Number: 325 Registered: 04-2006 |
a typical MES, isn't it? | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 1140 Registered: 05-2005 |
Andreas, in 1987 the only Fall album released was Palace of Swords Reversed. Its a compilation, so not sure that it really counts. Are you sure there has been a new Fall album every year in the last decade? I thought there were a few barren years. | ||
| Jeff Whiteaker Member Username: Jeff_whiteaker Post Number: 437 Registered: 10-2004 |
Kevin, I think you're right. Nothing (new, in the way of LPs at least) came out in '87, while only the marginal "Seminal Live" came out in '89. I think '98 was a barren year for new stuff as well, if I'm not mistaken. | ||
| andreas Member Username: Andreas Post Number: 326 Registered: 04-2006 |
kevin, i just a quote, but i think it is correct (if you count all the comps and live vault tapes etc.) except that the first single had been released in 1978. maybe further interesting: http://www.sanctuaryrecords.co.uk/index.php?l1=2&l2=0&l3=0&rt=&article_id=1206 | ||
| Randy Adams Member Username: Randy_adams Post Number: 751 Registered: 03-2005 |
Frenz Experiment wasn't 87? I guess I could go dig it out and look . . . . I love MES' take on Dylan. I'm undoubtedly someone who is greatly influenced by Dylan's classic work but, still, I think Smith is right. | ||
| Jeff Whiteaker Member Username: Jeff_whiteaker Post Number: 439 Registered: 10-2004 |
Frenz was '88, I'm pretty sure. I remember Victoria being played on the radio quite a bit in Spring of that year. | ||
| andreas Member Username: Andreas Post Number: 331 Registered: 04-2006 |
interesting: no one gave a commentary to that new stuff the fall played. i think the new songs sounding pretty good. refreshing. classical the fall stuff. the 'the mothers' cover is interesting. didn't know that he have any relation to zappa. isn't (was) zappa not one of that older rock stars? nevermind, his cover of hungry freaks, daddy is fine. | ||
| andreas Member Username: Andreas Post Number: 332 Registered: 04-2006 |
jeff, frenz experiment was definitely released in 1988. you are right. the 'santuary' quote isn't also correct about 2006. this years release is: The Permanent Years (Paranoia Man In Cheap Sh*t Room) Fullfill ARTFULCD53, 22 May 2006 (CD) Ladybird (Green Grass) / Rainmaster / Behind The Counter / Why Are People Grudgeful? / Glam Racket / City Dweller / Service / War / Three Points / The Aphid / The Remixer / Bonkers In Phoenix / Cab Driver / The $500 Bottle Of Wine / Paranoia Man In Cheap Sh*t Room / Life Just Bounces / Noel’s Chemical Effluence / Ten Points Compilation drawn from the 4 albums originally released by Permanent Records. but once again only a comp. | ||
| Randy Adams Member Username: Randy_adams Post Number: 768 Registered: 03-2005 |
The Fall comps really bug me. Thanks to them I find myself having to decide whether I want to buy something for one or two tracks. I don't have endless shelf space and we all know how some Fall numbers are pretty easy to live without so it's a high risk activity buying a Fall CD for only one or two songs. Andreas, I like the new stuff. It is definitely worth having. But it doesn't move me in quite the same way as the older things. My theory is that the more recent bands are much more technically proficient and I find something dull in the sound of smooth, flawless playing. I guess when it gets right down to it, I'm just naturally drawn to a more punk aesthetic. That's why I prefer it when bands don't use any session players. I'm pretty sure we've wandered down this road before, discussing the difference between an artist's earlier work and the later work. The earlier stuff is frequently the result of happy accidents, the outcome often much different than the artist was expecting and, as it turns out, better than the artist was aiming for. Eventually, when you really know what you're doing, this is much less likely to occur. And I think that's when the work loses a bit of its magic. | ||
| Jeff Whiteaker Member Username: Jeff_whiteaker Post Number: 444 Registered: 10-2004 |
I haven't listened to any recent Fall albums in depth, but what I've given a cursory listen to, a few songs here and there, hasn't really moved me. They've regained a certain energy that I think they had lost for a while in the 90s, but the (admittedly limited) selection of random tunes I've heard from recent years seem to lack memorable hooks, and it's those memorable, sharp hooks that had a significant role in making their best work (imho) so memorable. Maybe I need to hear more, give it more of a chance, I don't know. | ||
| andreas Member Username: Andreas Post Number: 339 Registered: 04-2006 |
funny festival places in norway. the motorway goes straight through. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx37bAtHk vk much hair in the face in the new fall..... | ||
| andreas Member Username: Andreas Post Number: 343 Registered: 04-2006 |
heh, this is great: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hIfae6Y4 LQ | ||
| Randy Adams Member Username: Randy_adams Post Number: 793 Registered: 03-2005 |
Thanks, Andreas. The Shrags are a hoot. I checked out "Talk to the Left" as well. | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 1201 Registered: 05-2005 |
For all those people in far flung corners of the world who have not been fortunate enough to have watched the fantastic BBC documentary on The Fall called "The Fall: The Wonderful and Frightening World of Mark E Smith" (I have watched it about 5 times!!), here is a site where you can download it. I have not downloaded it myself so I have no idea how long it takes to download, or what the quality is like. enjoy http://www.greylodge.org/gpc/?p=346 | ||
| andreas Member Username: Andreas Post Number: 345 Registered: 04-2006 |
thanks kevin, now i just have to find someone who can download this torrent file for me. i will ask some of the younger ones of my family. but, scrolling down the youtube shrags side i found this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSIdNKPKg sY&mode=related&search= nikki sudden playing death is hanging over me. nice and sad at the same time. | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 1039 Registered: 05-2005 |
Yes cheers Kev, will listen to that tomorrow, podcasts and things like this tend to now replace Saturday's papers or peper for me nowadays. Papers have lost their thing that we all loved them for in the old days. Christ, I find myself always harking for the old days, sign of getting old, heck I'm only 38!! | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 1206 Registered: 05-2005 |
good news, but havent The Fall already done "White Line Fever"?http://www.nme.com/news/fall/25292 | ||
| andreas Member Username: Andreas Post Number: 355 Registered: 04-2006 |
Sanctuary has confirmed the tracklisting for the UK release of Reformation Post TLC, due out on Slogan (a Sanctuary subsidiary) on 12 February 2007. There will be CD and vinyl editions. 1. Over! Over! - Smith 2. Reformation! - Smith / Barbato 3. Fall Sound - Smith / Barbato / Presley / McCord 4. White Line Fever - Merle Haggard 5. Insult Song - Smith / Barbato / Presley / McCord 6. My Door Is Never - Smith 7. Coach and Horses - Smith / McCord 8. The Usher - Smith / Barbato / Poulou / Presley / McCord 9. The Wright Stuff - Smith / Barbato / Poulou 10. Scenario - Smith / Barbato / Presley / McCord 11. Das Boat - Smith / Barbato / Presley / McCord 12. The Bad Stuff - Smith / Barbato / Poulou / Presley / McCord 13. Systematic Abuse - Smith / Barbato / Poulou / Presley / McCord 14. Outro - Smith / Barbato / Poulou / Presley / McCord *************** hey, what a great birthday this would be! |