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     Michael Bachman Member Username: Michael_bachman Post Number: 403 Registered: 01-2005 |
until that piece of canine excrement is gone from the White House. Then we can replay in our minds Jerry Ford's "My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over" statement. Unfortunatly, it will take generations to undue all the damage created by that f**khead. | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1436 Registered: 03-2006 |
Michael, I'm starting to get the impression you don't care for our president.  Yeah, two more years. 'Course, by then, we'll all be posting from our underground bunkers, those of us fortunate to have them, cuz by then we'll have nuked Iran, they'll have nuked us and we'll probably be at war with what's left of the world. The only (slight) consolation is that I believe, somewhere in his weasel soul, the man knows how wrong he is, how utterly alone he is, and that the tag of "worst president ever" will stick. History will not judge him kindly. | ||
| Rob Brookman Member Username: Rob_b Post Number: 283 Registered: 08-2006 |
Someone gave me a "Backward Bush" keychain, which displayed in real time the days, hours, minutes and seconds until WPE (Worst President Ever) heads off to a retirement of brush-clearing accidents. Problem was, the thing was impossibly difficult to set, and it eventually got stuck on some preposterous number like 3,800 days. I eventually threw it away because it was depressing me. I was afriad the keychain knew something I didn't. | ||
| Jerry Clark Member Username: Jerry Post Number: 549 Registered: 08-2004 |
Worst ever? Reagan & Nixon might have something to say about that & daddy Bush was no great shakes either. I'm looking forward to Barak Obama trying to put the whole world back together again. | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 1341 Registered: 05-2005 |
call me naive here, but do Americans actually think that Dubya actually makes even the slightest small decision in the Whitehouse? Surely its men behind the scenes who decide policy, and he is just the puppet front man? | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 1157 Registered: 04-2005 |
That's a good question, Kevin. There's no question he's a puppet, but I'm convinced he also believes everything they've told him to think and do to the point that he could carry on the same way even if his handlers weren't feeding him his lines, positions on issues, decisions, etc. | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1440 Registered: 03-2006 |
Dubya is characterized here as being pretty much alone in his resolve to continue with the folly and horror of Iraq. And, I believe that characterization to be true. He has completely surrounded himself with yes men, mind, but the impetus, the stupidity, is all him. He has said that he would "stay the course", even if the whole world turned against him, and only Laura and his dog, Barney, were still on his side. And, of course, that is pretty much where things are right now. And, as all the late-night comics joke, Barney ain't looking too solid anymore... It's all Bush. There is some epic incompetence on display in his administration, particularly in regard to the conduct of the war, but essentially, everybody is following his inept and immoral lead. | ||
| Andrew Kerr Member Username: Andrew_k Post Number: 212 Registered: 04-2005 |
Maybe this is entering conspiracy theory land, but I am not sure how much power governments have really got now. At a time when the country in which I live is building up to presidential elections (Sarkozy = be very afraid of small men unshamedly seeking power in such a manner) and wondering how Royal might shake up the macho socialists, I feel that in the end France will be less and less able to control/influence things even inside its own borders. It is the global capitalist system where power is focused now and the power is out of the hands of individual states. And it is a machine that requires constant 'growth' and consumption, with a short-sighted vision that is scary. I once worked for a company that had a caring sharing mission statement ( = we're nice to our employees, customers and the environment). Trouble was it got shut down in Scotland, cause wages were cheaper in Puerto Rico. And in a few years time the jobs will go somewhere else... | ||
| Andrew Kerr Member Username: Andrew_k Post Number: 213 Registered: 04-2005 |
Forgot to add that it is nice to be reminded that not all Americans are redneck Bush supporters! As I said in another thread here, virtually an entire programming forum (a US based one that I use for work) became extremely nasty as I once suggested that I found some of the remarks racist and virtually fascist. I have given up arguing as I felt there was no middle ground whatsoever. The lastest scary twist is that one of the new poster revealed himself to have done a couple of military tours of Iraq and then there was much 'back-slapping' and comments like "thanks on behalf of the American people". | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 1342 Registered: 05-2005 |
Andrew, the last line of your last post takes things off on a totally different tangent. I'd be interested to know what LK,Kurt etc thinks of the militarie's role in all this. After all soldiers cannot say "ah,its an unjust war in Iraq, bugger that I'm not going". So even though Andrew has came across supporters of the soldiers, I think, like me, most Americans are probably sympathetic towards the soldiers, but unsupportive of the cause. | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1441 Registered: 03-2006 |
I think the military's role is a really sad one. They are the definition of being stuck between a rock (Bush's head) and a hard place. They are honor bound to go and serve, but it doesn't at all mean that they agree with the reasons why they are there. That is if anyone even really knew what those reasons are. Andrew, I'm familiar with all the "global capitalist" theory, but honestly think Bush and co. are too incompetent and just plain stupid to even follow their dictates. One school of thought has us being guided rather strongly by the Saudis, but they're completely frustrated and dissatisfied with the way things are going...and there probably is a grain of truth to this thing being driven by the military-industrial complex, but I'm not sure that's completely true. Bush completely crapped all over Chee-ney (as he pronounces it), one of its leading messiahs, by firing Rummie. I think Bush is what he sees himself as: a lone ranger. Not sure if this board is a representative sample - I dare say it's impossible to be a (true) Redneck, or as my friends like to call 'em, 'Neck, and love the GoBees. And actually, only something like 17% of Americans support Bush and the war. Many Republicans have jumping off the ship, too, like the rats they are. | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 1162 Registered: 04-2005 |
Andrew, I've met very few people in my daily life who actually support Bush or the war. Of course, I live in an overwhelmingly "blue" city, Seattle. But I think the reason that jackass got elected twice (well, once, really) was because of the fearmongering that worked with Americans who don't think for themselves, of which there are many. (But isn't that true of any place?) Unfortunately, Bush got tremendous mileage out of the 9/11-terrorist scare tactic. He still trots that out. People aren't buying it the way they used to, finally. It sure took long enough for the majority of this country to wake up. I still naively believe democracy works in the States, otherwise how would the resurgence of the Democrats have happened last November? That said, I think almost all politicians sell their souls at least a little. It takes money to join the club, and that's the only way to do it for most of them. | ||
| Randy Adams Member Username: Randy_adams Post Number: 918 Registered: 03-2005 |
Where to begin? Many folks in the military went there because they came up in crap circumstances and the only real chance they have to get a decent education and get out of the hole their famly is in is by joining the military first. I've known a couple. As a matter of human decency, I try not to tell them that their "mission" is crap. I think it would just be cruel to do that. I will let them bring it up first. I think Andrew is right about the globalist capitalist thing. But Andrew you are a very passionate person. I think it's great. But unthinking people will consistently be freaked out by it. Hardin, the great thing about the globalist capitalist hegemony is that they don't have to give any orders or follow any. All they have to do is spread around the money to induce the desired behaviors. The multi-nationals are bigger than any governments and too diffuse to be targeted by any. It's like pinning jello to a wall. I view the current U.S. government as an oligarchy. I don't think Cheney has lost his impact at all. But Bush does play a role; his binary mentality appears to lie behind of lot of what that group does. A very fat chunk of any populace avoids actual thought. It's either too unfamiliar an activity or too much work. Real issues and real situations always have all those nasty gray areas. I remember reading the voter participation numbers for the various western democracies. It's very low all over the place, even in relatively new democracies where you'd think it would still be valued by people, such as Spain. The non-voting party seems to be the biggest single party in every country. And we don't want them to vote. They're the types who can be convinced that gays getting married is a big threat to them and that Walmart is their friend. With this climate change thing--everybody enjoying their unprecedented weather experiences?--I don't even know if there's any place to escape to. My favorite choice has always been Brisbane but Oz is threatened with permanent drought. | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1442 Registered: 03-2006 |
Being, for better or worse, a deeply cynical soul, I don't really have any problem believing the "global capitalist thing". It's just that, though I think it plays a role, is a factor, whatever, it's not the main factor in the "catastrophuck" (Jon Stewart's term) that is Iraq. For that, I'm afraid we have the chimp-in-charge to thank. The illogic, the incompetence, the f-ed up Evangelical ideas about bringing "freedom" to the rest of the world, the "Father talking to him" bullshit are all his. The guy clearly has a messianic thing going. And by "father", I obviously don't mean Bush #41. And speaking of #41, I'm persuaded by the theories that describe #43's motivation as being heavily Oedipal. I think a lot of it was that he wanted to succeed where Pappy failed. Besides, I have a lot more faith in the multinationals. If they were calling the shots, running this catastrophuck, it wouldn't be so, well, phucked up. | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1443 Registered: 03-2006 |
ps - Randy, was there snow in Hollywood? Nah, there's no such thing as global warming... | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 1125 Registered: 05-2005 |
US military personnel fly through Shannon airport in Ireland on their way to Iraq. Last June while I was waiting to fly back to Sydney there were about 200 young American troops walking around the airport. They looked so scared. I felt very sorry for them. I wondered how many of the 200 would be on the return flight six months later. Hopefully all were, but I doubt it. I was quite surprised by how many of them were women. I was also surprised by how many were white. We are often given the impression that most new recruits are black or hispanic. One other point - smoking is banned in all workplaces in Ireland; but Shannon airport departure lounge has a smoking room for the US troops. | ||
| Randy Adams Member Username: Randy_adams Post Number: 921 Registered: 03-2005 |
One of my little disciplines is to sit down in front of the television and watch the scrolling faces & names of the latest dead shown at the end of the PBS news show "The News Hour with Jim Lehrer." I've made a point of doing this for as long as they've shown the faces. I only know one person in Iraq now and at first I was just watching for fear of seeing his face. But soon it became a matter of personal responsibility. I did not want to lose track of this calamity and its very personal dimension. I did not want to lose track of the reality of 19, 20, 22 year olds being cut down for an adventure that is not merely valueless but actually profoundly destructive on every conceivable level. While the person I dread seeing on one of these scrolls is black, I also noticed long ago how many of the casualties were white, overturning the glib assumption of who are our powerless people. The United States has enormous swathes of poverty or near-poverty spread across its expanse. The people who are being left behind--for whom joining the military is the best chance they've got--are truly a diverse lot. I like to think that Shannon Airport's little exception for the troops stems from an intuitive understanding on the part of the Irish that these people are tragic pawns. Padraig, did you ever get your luggage? Is your daughter in school now? | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 1164 Registered: 04-2005 |
And meanwhile, the news today tells us that 16 more U.S. troops have died in Iraq in various incidents, including a helicopter crash that killed 13. Just when you thought Bush's approval rating couldn't go any lower, it's going to. How much longer does this have to go on? And now both Obama and Hilary have thrown their hats in the ring for the '08 presidential race. It's going to be an interesting couple of years. | ||
| Michael Bachman Member Username: Michael_bachman Post Number: 405 Registered: 01-2005 |
Kurt, I think one of the keys is how many Republican senators are going to bolt from Bush and back the Democratic proposals against troop surges. Once the first measure is passed against Bushco and their war, then others with more 'teeth' are sure to follow. With the lobby reforms, influence peddling for war votes by the military industrial complex may start drying up as well. I actually see some hope on the horizon. | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 1165 Registered: 04-2005 |
Yeah, and at some point even the Bush-backing Republicans are going to realize that this sinking ship isn't going to help them stay in the White House in '08. So I could imagine a big shift in many more House and Senate Republicans away from the president. I think you're right to be hopeful. The crumbling of the Bush Empire is gaining momentum... | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 1126 Registered: 05-2005 |
Randy, yeah got the bags back a few days ago. I mentioned on some other thread that the "dozen or so CDs" I thought was in my luggage was actually 40 once I got round to counting them! I've spent more time watching the DVDs I brought back with me than playing the music though. My daughter starts school tomorrow week. I hope I don't start crying at the classroom door. | ||
| Elizabeth Robinson Member Username: Liz_the_new_listener Post Number: 62 Registered: 10-2006 |
'Dubya Georgievich' has infuriated me with his pigheadedness from day 1. I remember that on the day before September 11th, he wanted to ease restrictions on the amount of arsenic in parts per million allowed in drinking water, just like the business-butt he really is. I hope Pelosi and Co. pull the financial rug out from under him. Our young men need to come home. Period. Let the Iraqis sort out their own civil war. | ||
| Michael Bachman Member Username: Michael_bachman Post Number: 410 Registered: 01-2005 |
Elizabeth, right you are. Bush has been a disaster for the environment. He took all that campaign money in 2000 from the coal consuming energy companies, and then relaxed mercury emissions (a byproduct of coal use) right after he got selected by the Supreme Court. It sure was a nasty day yesterday for our troops in Iraq, along with the helicopter shot down, we lost other troops in seperate incidents bringing a total of 24 dead. Administration fiqures are increasingly pointing fingers at Iran technology used by Iraqi insurgents, which Bush will certainly underscore during his lying in his State Of Unions Address. I only hope he is stopped before he loses his mind and attacks Iran. Rice of course, refuses to negotiate with Syria or Iran. I sure remember the US negotiating with North Vietnam starting with the Paris peace talks in 1968, and thereafter until the end of the war. In Dubya's mind we don't negotiate with our enemy, as it is a sign of weakness. Which just goes to show you, he never took a Diplomacy class at Yale, or else slept during the lectures. | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 1167 Registered: 04-2005 |
Slept during the lectures? I seriously doubt he ever even made it to class! He probably spent most weekdays passed out from the weekend's booze and coke binging... | ||
| Michael Bachman Member Username: Michael_bachman Post Number: 418 Registered: 01-2005 |
Anyone going to watch Dubya's State Of The Union Address tonight? I want to retch everytime I see him, so I'll probably skip it. Word is the Iraq content will be very minimal in comparison to previous SOTUA's. | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 1173 Registered: 04-2005 |
Naw, like you, I can't watch him. I get too upset, and I can't afford to shoot out another TV screen. Seriously, I guess the point of interest for those who dare watch will be seeing if the applause from the Republicans is more muted than in the past. Will disrespect from the president be more apparent? | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1453 Registered: 03-2006 |
You have that problem, too, Kurt? I always seem to do it after I've had too many fried peanut butter and nanner sandwiches...I need to start keeping my heater out of reach when I watch TV... But, it might be fun to watch ole Bushie squirm tonight. Lately when he appears in public it's as though you can see the desperation and failure written all over his face. He may pretend otherwise, but he knows about the polls, world opinion, the less than a snowball's chance in hell of the so-called surge working. Deep down, he knows the score. He knows.. There should be an almost palpable air of flop sweat and defeat radiating off of the tube as he gives his speech tonight and that could be fun to watch... | ||
| Rob Brookman Member Username: Rob_b Post Number: 293 Registered: 08-2006 |
Watching WPE these days is a bit like witnessing a car wreck. It's so ghastly, you can't help but stare. Of course, my prurient interest in watching him crash is seriously mitigated by the realization that we're all in the car, too. | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 1177 Registered: 04-2005 |
So, anybody watch the speech last night? I was in a bar with a friend where they had it on the background, and all I heard were snippets here and there of things like "our children's future." Yeah, screw the 18-40 year olds (many if not most nonwhite) who are being killed or maimed in a pointless quagmire now, so we can protect the future of good little rich white children. As if there's ANY correlation between Iraq's civil war and U.S. security. But I'm sure a few red state people will fall for (as they always do) the "think of the children" line and his popularity rating will bump up a couple of points for a day or two. | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1458 Registered: 03-2006 |
I did see it. Surprise, surprise - more warmed over, feeble piffle...He did, of course, try to gild that particular lily - the connection between the war in Iraq and our security. Unsuccessfully, but I'm sure there were some schlubs somewhere who bought it. But overall, it seemed a completely desperate, flailing attempt at sleight of hand, misdirection. Look it this way, he even talked about global fucking warming to postpone talking about I-rak, though he couldn't quite bring himself to use the word "warming", opting for the expression "global temperature change"...but, come to Iraq, he eventually did, something like 30 minutes into the "speech"...Btw, he did the other thing that truly drives me crazy and that I'll forever despise him and his evil minions for - conflating support of the troops with support of the war, and by extension, the idea that if you don't support the war you don't support our boys "in harm's way". And there was one final insult to human dignity - at the end he trotted out the guy who performed the miraculous rescue of the guy on the subway tracks in NY. What that guy did was heroism of proportions I can barely wrap my mind around - to co-opt that beautiful, selfless act for the Repub cause seems deeply fiendish. | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1460 Registered: 03-2006 |
Should mention, too, that Webb gave a smashing Democratic rebuttal - it, in fact, might be the first in history that didn't suck. It was smart, logical and completely heartfelt - all qualities missing from you-know-who's squawking. Quite smart of the Dems to put him up, as he stands in such sharp contrast to Dubya. "Here's a decorated war hero, who's actually seen shots fired in anger, unlike you pussies. Suck on that!" | ||
| Michael Bachman Member Username: Michael_bachman Post Number: 422 Registered: 01-2005 |
LK, not to mention that Webb has something at stake, his son is over in Iraq. He certainly comes off as a million times more credible than Dubya, who won't let his twin girls anywhere near a recruiting station. | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1461 Registered: 03-2006 |
You bet - Webb even wore his son's boots on the campaign trail. He's a unique, fascinating guy. The night he won the election, you know how he celebrated? Not at some fancy Washington shindig, with cigars and champagne. No, he spent all night walking Arlington National Cemetary with a war buddy, reflecting on what his chance to serve meant. And you, no doubt, have heard about his exchange with Bush about Webb's son. Webb basically told him to f off... | ||
| Randy Adams Member Username: Randy_adams Post Number: 932 Registered: 03-2005 |
Hmmm. Sounds like I missed something. There was absolutely NO WAY I was going to watch Bush. It never occurred to me that the Dems' rebuttal wouldn't, as Hardin so colloquially puts it, "suck." In the past every Dem rebuttal to a Bush State of the Union speech just made ME suck harder on whatever drink it was I had at hand. I love the story of Webb's cemetary stroll; I'd never heard that. | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1464 Registered: 03-2006 |
That was a little colloquial of me, but I had my pinkie extended when I typed it, so hopefully that evens things out. Isn't that an evocative picture? It's such a beautiful and serene and powerful place to begin with. It was also raining that night, too, I forgot to mention, which adds even a little more somber ambience. Maybe the Dems are finally, finally, wising up. If you are interested at all, I highly recommend the speech to you (maybe it's on YouTube). In addition to Iraq, he talked about his other passion: redressing the economic inequality in this country, addressing things like the average CEO making more in a day than the average worker makes in a year. It was a beautifully written speech, too. Unlike most politicians, he and Obama are great writers. Their self-penned speeches don't have the canned quality you find with most politicos hack-written speeches... | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 1136 Registered: 05-2005 |
LK, in defence of writers ... how do you know that Webb and Obama don't just have excellent speech writers? I bet they do. It still takes a great orator to deliver great speeches though; otherwise it's just some pretty words. | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1466 Registered: 03-2006 |
I know! Seriously, I suppose they could be liars and have secret ghostwriters, but the word out on the street, in Washington, is that they write their own stuff. At least that's what they say on CNN and MSNBC. And, I guess you never really know, but Washington is a small town and I think it would come to light if there were hired speech writers. That both are writers is actually quite well known, anyway. Obama has written a (supposedly pretty good) book, "The Audacity of Hope", and Webb has written quite a few, including some novels the dirty, sneaky Repubs tried to use against him, by citing the sex scenes in them as evidence that he was some sort of perv. He also wrote a non-fiction book about the Scots-Irish in America. And is if that wasn't enough, he also wrote (or possibly co-wrote) a pretty decent little military-themed movie called "Rules of Engagement", I believe. My hero, Samuel L. Jackson, was in it. Jesus Christ, it's enough to make ya feel like an underachiever. I should point out that politics is one of my greatest obsessions, right there behind sex, drugs and rock n roll. I spend way too much time watching CNN and reading leftie blogs... | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 1140 Registered: 05-2005 |
Oh. I didn't realise they had said they both wrote their own speeches. I believe them then. As you said, it would soon be proven otherwise if it were not the case. | ||
| Randy Adams Member Username: Randy_adams Post Number: 933 Registered: 03-2005 |
Didn't Lynne Cheney write a nice little folio about lesbians once? | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 1181 Registered: 04-2005 |
Don't know about Lynne Cheney, but I remember the VP debate in '04 when Edwards brought up Cheney's lesbian daughter and how great it was that her parents supported her, etc. Cheney was shooting him a "I'll kill you for bringing this up, you f***er" look the entire time. | ||
| Randy Adams Member Username: Randy_adams Post Number: 934 Registered: 03-2005 |
I'm sure Hardin will know about this. Lynne literally wrote a novel about lesbians sometime in the past. I just did a google operation. Here's a link to an article about it. In advance of the 2004 election, the Republicans managed to get the book pulled out of circulation as it didn't tally too well with their pandering to the fundamentalist bloc. http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art1 9337.asp The phoniness of the current administration truly has no bounds at all. They sincerely believe that nothing they do has any consequences. I still say Richard Cheney will spend his retirement in federal pen. | ||
| Rob Brookman Member Username: Rob_b Post Number: 295 Registered: 08-2006 |
The duplicitousness is even worse than you think, Randy. Sometime before the election, Lynne Cheney was interviewed by, I think, Wolf Blitzer, who asked her about some of the racier passages in her novel. With a straight face, she said he was wrong, that the passages didn't exist, and Blitzer more or less dropped it. It was a jaw-dropping example of the Cheney family ability to entirely redefine reality to suit their political needs, and the seeming inability of the press to call them out on it. As seeking facts was somehow a partisan act. To quote Colbert: "Reality has a well-known liberal bias." | ||
| Rob Brookman Member Username: Rob_b Post Number: 296 Registered: 08-2006 |
They might just be a series of tubes, but "the Internets" are pretty handy sometimes. Here's that CNN transcript. I forgot that Wolf was questioning her about her movel after Cheney teed off on Jim Webb for some "objectionable" passages in his novels. Watch it and weep: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/10/27 /wolf-blitzer-confronts-ly_n_32666.html | ||
| Randy Adams Member Username: Randy_adams Post Number: 936 Registered: 03-2005 |
That was a very funny sequence, Rob. I visit HuffPo very often so I'm surprised I missed it. | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1467 Registered: 03-2006 |
They're still at it: Wolf interviewed Cheney yesterday, who btw, brooks no argument that the war is going bad or that the administration has been wrong - he's starting to seem like that knight from Monty Python & the Holy Grail, who, with arms and legs cut off, is screaming, "come back and fight ye cowards!" - nothing is gonna ever change that evil cyborg's mind... But anyways, Wolf made the mistake of asking about Cheney's lesbian daughter's wife's pregnancy. Wolf got the "eat shit and die" expression, along with lopsided sneer, as Cheney admonished him, "I think you're out of line to ask about that". | ||
| Michael Bachman Member Username: Michael_bachman Post Number: 425 Registered: 01-2005 |
Cheney's defiance to Congress and the will of the people to curtail the surge in Iraq is arrogance in the extreme. Bush and Cheney must be put to a stop before they attack Iran. | ||
| Rob Brookman Member Username: Rob_b Post Number: 297 Registered: 08-2006 |
Ha! LK, the black knight is the perfect analogy. When they finally heave the mangled corpse of neocon nation-building out the door in Iraq, Cheney will be yelling, "it's just a flesh wound!" | ||
| Michael Bachman Member Username: Michael_bachman Post Number: 426 Registered: 01-2005 |
Oh, king eh? Very nice. And how'd you get that, eh? By exploiting the workers. By hanging on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic and social differences in our society. | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1528 Registered: 03-2006 |
Reverend Ted, one of my favorite hypocritical characters of the new Dark Ages we find ourselves in, has been completely "cured" of his homosexuality. All it took was a mere 3 weeks of therapy. It's a miracle! | ||
| Rob Brookman Member Username: Rob_b Post Number: 336 Registered: 08-2006 |
These cretins talk about homosexuality like health care providers talk about cancer! It's really vile. What, so Ted's in remission? They make him watch Lana Turner movies for 21 days straight? It's just as well. Were I gay, that's the last fool I'd want playing for my team. | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1529 Registered: 03-2006 |
I think it was a non-stop reel of Scarlett Johansen's most concupiscent moments... Yep, it's not like the good Reverend Ted's Rupert Everett or Gore Vidal...no class, no flair, no smarts.... | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 1225 Registered: 04-2005 |
Dang it, LK, stop making me reach for the dictionary! | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1530 Registered: 03-2006 |
Sorry - ordinary words won't do when it comes to SJ. In fact, I bet her picture was there in the dictionary, under that word. | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 1226 Registered: 04-2005 |
And I thought she was just real purty... | ||
| Randy Adams Member Username: Randy_adams Post Number: 983 Registered: 03-2005 |
I'll bet Mr. Haggard was not subjected to the tumescence test before that declaration was issued. I also noted that his church elders told him to move to Missouri. | ||
| frank bascombe Member Username: Frankb Post Number: 17 Registered: 01-2007 |
Sorry Guys Reverend Ted?? expand am I missing something | ||
| Rob Brookman Member Username: Rob_b Post Number: 337 Registered: 08-2006 |
His name's Ted Haggard, Frank. What you'd call a "do as I say, not as I do" guy. Head of a big evangelical church who, on the side, dabbled in meth and gay escorts. After three weeks of counseling, though, he loves his wife and the state of Missouri (or maybe Iowa). The kicker? He and his wife are going back to school to study psychology. He'll be a natural, I'm sure. | ||
| Michael Bachman Member Username: Michael_bachman Post Number: 458 Registered: 01-2005 |
Ummm, Scarlett. If she couldn't act, she would make a great lingerie model. Those panty scenes in Lost In Translation were the tops. Whoever the manufacturer of those panties were, they missed a greatmarketing/endorsement opportunity. | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1532 Registered: 03-2006 |
Michael, unless I'm mistaken, that's the first use of the word, "panties", on the GBs board. I, er umm, noticed that scene.... Frank, what makes the downfall of Pastor Ted even sweeter, was that he was pretty closely tied into the Bush administration, in fact had regular prayer breakfast with Dubya, and was instrumental in some of the White House's incredibly backward positions on gay rights. Of all the heinous, dumbass, embarrassing things this administration has done, the use of gay marriage as a wedge issue is up there. I've never been able to understand all those Republican, red state objections to gay marriage. If you're hetero, how does it really hurt you if two gay people marry? Who cares? Makes no sense at all. Hateful, hateful shit. | ||
| frank bascombe Member Username: Frankb Post Number: 18 Registered: 01-2007 |
I remember all this now and my first thought was hypocrisy, but I guess that goes hand in hand with this evangelical nonsense. I'm no believer and the most tolerant people around seem not to be religious. Nice thoughr 2 litrary characters communicating on line | ||
| frank bascombe Member Username: Frankb Post Number: 19 Registered: 01-2007 |
typing error on literary | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1533 Registered: 03-2006 |
That's right. Now the pressure's on - we have to make our literary creators proud.... There's gotta be a great Pastor Ted skit coming up on Saturday Night Live...maybe showing him gay porn and shocking him every time he has a reaction: "Oops, still not cured!"... | ||
| Rob Brookman Member Username: Rob_b Post Number: 338 Registered: 08-2006 |
Well, I'll be. I feel like a bit of a dope, but I just figured out where the LK moniker came from. All that enthusing by you about Martin Amis and even then it didn't come to me. I gotta stop drinking. | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1536 Registered: 03-2006 |
Dang! I thought you woulda been all over that like white on mice (as a woman I know used to malaprop)... The book it's from is nowhere near as good as the one you're reading. Ever finish that sucka? | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1537 Registered: 03-2006 |
Ps - as per the drinking, they say you don't have a problem till you start to do it alone. | ||
| Rob Brookman Member Username: Rob_b Post Number: 340 Registered: 08-2006 |
I feel a little, you know, ashamed by the oversight, LK. I dunno why it didn't occur to me. And I did finish the book a week or so back. Wow. I think you're right. Might be his best evah. Oh, and I always heard it as "you don't have a problem unless you go to the meetings." | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1538 Registered: 03-2006 |
I was attempting to quote the Hold Steady, but I see the wisdom in the way you approach it, Rob. Helluva book, eh? Quite an amazing return to form for him. I wonder about writers, in the same way I do about musicians, if they know how to write a great book, or a great song, why can't they do it all the time? They're probably equally mystified about the whole process. | ||
| Rob Brookman Member Username: Rob_b Post Number: 342 Registered: 08-2006 |
Oh, man, I missed ANOTHER sly (and very cool) reference, LK? You're running pop culture laps around me! | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1540 Registered: 03-2006 |
Naw, man. I had just listened to that - no reason you should be on the same obscure wavelength...Great song though, innit? | ||
| Rob Brookman Member Username: Rob_b Post Number: 345 Registered: 08-2006 |
It is, indeed. I love that album unconditionally. It's been hogging my CD tray for WAY too long, in fact. | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 1206 Registered: 05-2005 |
Some Onion Haggard hilarity... http://www.theonion.com/content/node/583 65?utm_source=slate_rss_1 | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 1236 Registered: 04-2005 |
Thanks, Padraig--I never remember to read the Onion anymore, and I needed that laugh. | ||
| Geoff Holmes Member Username: Geoff Post Number: 194 Registered: 05-2005 |
Don't you guys to anything else but post or do you get paid for this??!! Coming in late, at least the U.S. knows it will get rid of Bush whereas that coniving, weasling Howard could slip through the gate for one more time. Lets hope the Australian public will get rid of him too. He has really damaged the psyche of the nation. | ||
| Randy Adams Member Username: Randy_adams Post Number: 987 Registered: 03-2005 |
I'd love us to talk about Australian politics, Geoff. I read somewhere that the Aussies tend to keep their PMs forever. There must be some sort of evil mechanism in the electoral system that makes it really hard for challengers. I would think the biblical-scale drought in Oz would be enough to make people feel like taking it out on somebody--like the climate-change foot dragger John Howard. I know new Oz citizen Mr. Collins will have something to say about this. Sadly, I don't get paid for this. I can't even do it at work because their IT Dept. has blocked my access to the site! | ||
| Michael Bachman Member Username: Michael_bachman Post Number: 465 Registered: 01-2005 |
Are there still Aussie troops in Iraq? I know the Brits are pulling out their troops this Spring. | ||
| Rob Brookman Member Username: Rob_b Post Number: 357 Registered: 08-2006 |
Speaking of Mr. Howard: "Australia's Prime Minister John Howard blasted Senator Obama's policy on the Iraq war and said al-Qaeda would 'be praying as many times as possible for a victory for not only Obama but also for the Democrats'." Nice to know the US doesn't have the corner on the wacko warmonger market. | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 1212 Registered: 05-2005 |
I have much to say Randy; but I'm biding my time. More interested in an internecine war of attrition with Jeff first... | ||
| Randy Adams Member Username: Randy_adams Post Number: 994 Registered: 03-2005 |
This morning the online Beeb treated me to footage of John Howard criticizing Barak Obama's position on the Iraq war. According to Obama's response to Howard, Oz has 1,400 troops in Iraq and Barak invited him to send another 20,000 if he is so much in favor of the war. C'mon Padraig, tell us something about this bozo. I promise a moratorium on Steely Dan remarks. | ||
| abigail law Member Username: Abigail Post Number: 113 Registered: 06-2005 |
what are the odds on obama going the same way as jfk in the next two years? | ||
| Michael Bachman Member Username: Michael_bachman Post Number: 476 Registered: 01-2005 |
Abigail, very good odds. I have heard the obama and jfk comparsions a few times on some political talk shows as well. |