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kevin
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Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 04:32 pm:   

Feist - The Reminder. Puts Neko Case, Bjork, Joanna Newsome et al well in the shade. PJ Harvey has a rival after all these years.

Sly and The Family Stone - Greatest Hits. Does exactly what it says on the tin.
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Rob Brookman
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Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 08:54 pm:   

A little something for Spence:

http://motovresmusic.blogspot.com/2007/0 5/new-wilco-b-side.html
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frank bascombe
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Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 09:11 pm:   

This afternoon listened to In your Bright Ray and Fireboy, IYBR is so strong, great tunes real striped sunlight
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Geoff Holmes
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Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 09:59 am:   

The Crane Wife - a skeptical latecomer, I lay in adoration at it's brilliance!
Brian Eno - Music for Films, Apollo, Thursday afternoon.
Cream - Disrali Gears. Saw the "Classic album" show on it and it wasn't tooooo bluesy and heavy for me. Hey, Clapton namechecked McGuinn as an influence to one song!
Has anyone heard that Aliens album?
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spence
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Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 10:02 am:   

Thanks Rob.

I always like listening and wtching Jeff and Wilco.

Cheers.
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Allen Belz
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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 05:39 am:   

One postscript to listening to "This Year's Model"...I love the booklet photo of the band posed in front of the big sign which says "This Lot For Rent - Inquire in Pub." The grin on Elvis's face may not be the most adorable ever in the world, but it's certainly the greatest he's ever flashed. He's like a little boy...
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Michael Bachman
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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 05:45 pm:   

Gene Clark - No Other

Really a brillant album, stem to stern.
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Little Keith
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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 07:51 pm:   

Validating your opinion, AB. As a big fan of the Elvii, I think that it's a tremendous, and tremendously rockin', album, start to finish. I remember being shocked when I bought that album at how wonderful the Attractions were and thinking "where the hell did these guys come from?". And it still to this day, really holds up. I'm given to understand that the spark of inspiration for it came from Elvis hearing the Stones' "Aftermath" for the first time and marvelling at how great it was...

Lots of great lines and lyrics on it, but one I love springs quickly to mind: "don't act like you're above me, just look at your shoes".
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Rob Brookman
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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 08:45 pm:   

Considering it was the Attractions' first album together, it's especially amazing. Sounds like they were born to play together. Interesting, too, that it's one of those records that came out with a different track listing in the States. If memory serves (I'm too lazy to reference the liner notes), "Radio, Radio" ended our version; "Night Rally" ended the UK edition. "Radio, Radio" was the tune that got a lot of people's attention in the US, so it's hard to imagine TYM without it.
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andreas
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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 09:12 pm:   

Michael, I listened to 'No other'a few days ago. Yes, brilliant it is! One of my all time favourite albums, for sure.

Today Feist made my day once again. Her 'The Reminder' is so baeutiful.

nd Kevin said it month ago (but I have bought the album only now): Low's 'Drums and Guns' album is a highlight.

The Byrds and her music of their first year as a band is always worth to listen to. So i did today.

Best wishes,

Andreas
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Little Keith
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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 09:27 pm:   

I'm reminded too, Rob, of back in the day when everything wasn't available, no downloading, no ordering imports on Amazon, etc., and you sort of had to bide your time to hear things, only perhaps knowing them by their rep...When EC finally put out "Taking Liberties", andI got to hear "Night Rally" for the first time, I was in a state of semi-religious ecstatic frenzy.
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Allen Belz
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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 09:59 pm:   

You are correct there, Rob, about the endings of the two versions...the UK one also contained that snaky riff classic "(I Don't Want to Go to) Chelsea" The Rhino reissue honors both - it has the UK sequencing but puts "Radio Radio" on at the end.
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Kurt Stephan
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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 10:05 pm:   

(Sound of another old-timer pulling up a chair to talk about the old days.) I remember that all very clearly, LK and Rob. I used to hear the B-sides and UK album tracks on the radio, so it was frustrating not to have great stuff like "Big Tears," "Night Rally," "Tiny Steps," "Wednesday Week," etc., on an album (import singles were hard to get then, and not cheap). So, for me "Taking Liberties" overshadowed "Get Happy!!" which I think came out not that long before it. It was a great time to be an EC fan--two albums containing 40 songs in less than a year. And we're talking real songs; not Sebadoh or Guided by Voices-style low-fi fragments.

I wasn't fortunate enough to see EC and the Attractions on their first U.S. tour, but I've heard tapes of them from that tour, and the group sounded really thin in the early days. By the time they'd recorded "This Year's Model" and toured the States for a second time, they were a powerhouse--and this with a fairly timid guitar player (EC) who kept his volume way down most of the time. I still think the Bruce/Pete Thomas rhythm section is one of the three or four best in rock history. I wish the Attractions had formed before "My Aim is True"--that album would have been so much better made by musicians a little more aggressive than Huey Lewis's band on holiday.
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Randy Adams
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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 10:15 pm:   

Harrumph. LK, your lyric quote illustrates just why EC makes so little headway with me. He's "clever." I don't have a lot of room for "clever."

Two days ago I pulled out my copy of "Trust" which I haven't played probably in about 20 years. Admittedly it's not one of the major EC albums. Ultimately I decided to load onto iTunes just four songs: "Clubland" which is an excellent eventful pop song, "Watch Your Step," "New Lace Sleeves" which is the album's real (and only) heart, and "Big Sister's Clothes." I was struck for what must be the zillionth time by how EC's cleverness effectively chased away any passion. It would be particularly nice to hear "New Lace Sleeves" covered by a good interpreter.

If you ask me, the whole story is revealed by the fact that EC's best-known and best-loved record is a Nick Lowe cover.

In the car right now is the Triffids' "Black Swan" which I'm only hearing for about the third time. While I would personally choose not to have Adam Peters on it, the album really is another bona fide Triffids album, at times even reaching back as far as the feel of "Treeless Plain" and always, always sincere and epic in its sweep. Quite unlike Mr. Costello.

I continue to take great delight in the Pale Fountains, whose "Pacific Street" preceded "Black Swan" in the car.
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Little Keith
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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 10:25 pm:   

Randy, I'll see your harumph and raise you a chortle, a guffaw and a derisive snort. I think it's fair to point out that EC has at times been too clever by half, but I didn't think that fragment was an example of that tendency. To me, it's more like some drunken yob inarticulately expressing his rage and fury (a yob not unlike one LK) in a pub. Examples of the clever clever thing might rather be stuff like "The Only Flame In Town" with its relentless punning and wordplay and the contortions it goes through to stick to the fire them and, now that you mention it, "Big Sister's Clothes" is chock full of wordplay and cunning linguistics. Still a great song...

Sincerity can an overrated virtue.
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Little Keith
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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 10:25 pm:   

Randy, I'll see your harumph and raise you a chortle, a guffaw and a derisive snort. I think it's fair to point out that EC has at times been too clever by half, but I didn't think that fragment was an example of that tendency. To me, it's more like some drunken yob inarticulately expressing his rage and fury (a yob not unlike one LK) in a pub. Examples of the clever clever thing might rather be stuff like "The Only Flame In Town" with its relentless punning and wordplay and the contortions it goes through to stick to the fire them and, now that you mention it, "Big Sister's Clothes" is chock full of wordplay and cunning linguistics. Still a great song...

Sincerity can an overrated virtue.
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Little Keith
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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 10:27 pm:   

For added emphasis, I posted that twice...

Actually, how'd the hell I do that? I thought the system had a built-in check for that...
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Allen Belz
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 01:14 am:   

Agreed on the facility of Mr. EC, but I also agree that saying that that's all that's there is simplistic. That facility has been what's kept me from fully embracing him for a long time, while still playing his albums with pleasure. Just recently I've been immersing bigtime his stuff for the first time since probably "Blood and Chocolate" first came out...and have found that even when I have no idea what a song's about or know that the lyrics are mostly inspired wordplay (said charge could also be evelled at certified genius John Lennon, among many, many other musical artists) I feel a real musical passion there.
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Randy Adams
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 02:02 am:   

Whereas I just flat-out don't. For me he seems like a purveyor of dead wit. So obviously this is just a personal thing about what moves a person. And EC seldom moves me.
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Little Keith
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 02:24 am:   

Of course, I'm in the "Elvis has passion out the ying yang" camp...he also just happens to have great verbal facility, too. He shouldn't be penalized for that, for being a "double threat".

He comes from the tradition of smart songwriters, people like Randy Newman and Cole Porter - nobody would ever say their stuff wasn't totally felt and from the heart, though it was also verbally flashy. A song like "Sail Away" may seem all wise-ass on the surface, but there's a beating, compassionate heart and seething anger underneath it.

Have you ever heard "I'll Wear It Proudly" or "I Want You", Randy? They could possibly change your mind...
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Randy Adams
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 03:15 am:   

People always point me to "I Want You." It doesn't happen for me though there are a number of things on that same album I do like. (That one's "Blood & Chocolate" right? I don't have it.) What album is "I'll Wear It Proudly" on? I only have a handful of EC albums but, believe it or not, I used to listen to them very heavily back when they were new. "Get Happy" is the only one I promptly loaded on iTunes when I got my ipod but I'm slowly going through forgotten corners of the collection for other candidates which is why "Trust" came out. I have yet to revisit "Punch the Clock" and "Imperial Bedroom" and "Spike." "Bedroom" I'm assuming will still sound good. I'm curious to see whether I still dislike "Spike" as much as I did.

Since I'm already out there on the limb anyway I might as well hand you or Rob or Allen the saw, because I actually think one of the problems with Costello's records is the omnipresent domineering sound of the Attractions. They are unquestionably very good at what they do but what they do is often not what the song is crying out for. And everything just starts to blur together. That was always the fault to "Get Happy" although I like that album anyway.

But at its core it's probably just a thing about whether certain music hits the right nerve. I never liked "Alison" and when I heard "This Year's Model" way back when it was new I was totally unmoved. I remember being honestly shocked when I heard "Get Happy" and loved it; I had already written Elvis Costello off by 1980. So I started listening to him from "Get Happy" forward until boredom set in.

Meanwhile I just washed a car to the varied and enjoyable stoner sounds of "Best of Luna." I think I'm probably going to graduate to acquiring some of the individual albums. Wareham & Co seem to have planted themselves at a very congenial intersection of quality and trash. I mean "trash" in the very best sense of course.
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Randy Adams
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 05:43 am:   

Tee Set -- "She Likes Weeds"
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kevin
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 08:11 am:   

Regarding Elvis, I find myself in both camps - can see where Randy's coming from but can totally understand LK's devotion to the man. My last Elvis album was Spike, and even then that was an album or two too far. Between 78 and 85 he was on fire, although GBCW was a mistake. The great thing for me about EC is that he is a fan like the rest of us as, can be seen from this list he made for Vanity fair a few years ago.
http://www.elviscostello.info/articles/t -z/vanity_fair.001101a.html
(I might have posted a link to this before, but just in case I didnt I posted it again)
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Mark Leydon
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 08:34 am:   

Amy Winehouse - Back to Black.

This is a fun album. I really do think she is a major talent. There's something so incongruous about this 22 year old Jewish girl from Nth London with a voice which is a cross between Nina Simone, Aretha Franklin and Etta James. She's a great songwriter too - I love the edgy lyrics. 'What kind of f*ckery is this, you made me miss the Slick Rick gig' is one of best lines I've heard lately.

The sound of this album is great too. An uncanny re-creation of the early Motown girl group sound - but done really well. By all accounts she is hit and miss in concert - either brilliant or a train wreck, depending on her pre-gig indulgences. But on record she's excellent.
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spence
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 10:21 am:   

What does your heart say - the Winnebago Orchestra.

An unmastered version from the forthcoming album. I'm really happy with it. Its here if you wanna listen ( who cares who plugs!? we're all friends her, that's my excuse anyway!!) http://www.myspace.com/thewinnebagoorche stra

Strange Geometry - The Clientele. Thanks Kev for this recom, its really wonderful. A friend Chris Roberts, a music journalist, never heard of em until i mentioned, he now loves em, he may be obsessed! you'd of thought he'd of already been hip to the Clientel!?, so I guess he'll wanna thank you too Kev!

Other than this, I've been mostly playing all The Smith albums, first to last including the comps.

My conclusion, is that they are, second to the The Beatles the greateest British band of all time.
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Rob Brookman
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 01:58 pm:   

Hey, Spence, nice tune, my friend. Really nice. I could easily hear one Mr. R. Forster inhabiting that song quite comfortably. Some great guitar work, too, which I assume is your doing. Cheers!

I'm curious: who does the songwriting in the band? Is it collaborative or is it all handled by one person?
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spence
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 03:28 pm:   

Thanks Rob. Yes it is very Gobees I suppose.

The way it ususally works is that i mess around, get a tune, stick it down on 8 trak digital or garageband it and send it to Caroline. Sh e thwn works with her lyrics/poems and we work on it together from there on. Then i usually stick everything down in the proper studio, guitars, bass and drums, then all the real musicians play on it, trumpets etc and then vox. We have a new drummer now though. The dynamics of the songs are usually left to chance, for instance there's a helluva lot of pedal steel on this bunch of new songs. This isntrument can eally dictate the sound and pace of the music, we never know until we get there I suppose, which is a nice way of working. I like to work the way Wilco work, havig been inspired by their Trying to break your heart DVD, "coming in through the back door" type of approach.

Our overall sound is very light, I suppose its sophisticated, having done the electric guityar thing, this sorta style we've had for the past 5 years is where I want to be. Its enjoyable, and we have no egos, only iomne to deal with !! :-) Glad you like the tune.
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Rob Brookman
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 03:54 pm:   

Sounds like a nice way to work, Spence, and the results speak for themselves. Can't wait to hear the completed result. What studio do you record in? Do you do ProTools or tape?

Coincidentally, I'm spending the weekend in a recording studio starting tomorrow. A friend of mine owns the place and last year, I convinced an old college buddy to come in from Washington, DC and lay down some tracks there, using a bunch of my musician friends here as backup. The results - 10 tunes - were good enough that he's coming back this weekend for a three-day spit-and-polish marathon to flesh out what we did last May. I'm looking forward to it. I'm kind of living vicarously through my friend since my long-planned second album hasn't gotten any farther than the demo stage.
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spence
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 04:02 pm:   

Cheers Rob. We record in a small 8 trak in Rugeley in Staffordshire, the heart of England, in the countryside.

The guy who runs it is really a main part of the set up of the group. He's been around a bit, is a great engineer and mixer. We produce everything together me and him. He uses Logic, though it still goes through onto an ADAT.

Hope your recording goes well. Let me hear your stuff when you are ready. Sounds like a nice get together!!

Can you send me your first album?

There';s a guy I know in Brookly that gets some really superb sounds ans he's a great songwriter: http://www.myspace.com/spikepriggen
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spence
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 04:10 pm:   

Pacific Street - The Pale Fountains.

What a great summer record. Its the sound of a band, like The Gobees, they sound like they are still around. Timeless.
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Randy Adams
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 04:29 pm:   

Mark, Amy Winehouse is pretty uncanny judging from the few YouTube videos I've seen. I wonder if she'll end up being a novelty act or actually get beyond the ersatz 60s soul trashy girl schtick. She inevitably makes me think of Helen Shapiro from the 60s. Shapiro was a fourteen year old jewish girl from Bethnal Green who exploded onto the UK charts in 1960 with a song called "Please Don't Treat Me Like a Child." She had a bizarrely precocious voice that sounded like it was leavened on a twenty year diet of scotch and cigarettes. It was as if she'd been dropped from Mars. That was a different era, of course, so she was very seldom given the opportunity to record her own songs though a superb b-side from 1964 demonstrates--at the age of 17--she could definitely write tight disciplined pop songs. A lot of the stuff she was given to sing was total crap but she did get to record one genuinely good album in 1963 in Nashville ("Helen in Nashville," natch) and a number of her singles from the mid-60s were actually pretty good.

Glad to see that some of the new Winnebagos stuff is becoming publicly available Spence.
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Randy Adams
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 04:35 pm:   

Spence, it's uncanny how much "Reach" sounds like something Grant McLennan would be doing in the GoBees Mk. II.
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Little Keith
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 04:43 pm:   

Amy Winehouse is incredible, I think, and that new album of hers is the shit.

Randy, though the conversation has moved on, my sense of netiquette requires me to answer your question, which I just noticed. "I'll Wear It Proudly" is on "King of America", which incidentally, happens to be my favorite record by Elvis...

Though, if you don't like "Alison", I just don't know...shocking admission. I didn't think it was possible not to like that song. And saying one of the problems with Elvis is the Attractions is like saying one of the problems with sex is all that annoying pleasure...
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Rob Brookman
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 04:51 pm:   

Spence, I will indeed send you the disc. Do you prefer it electronically or via snail mail?

LK, where the hell have you been?
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andreas
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 04:53 pm:   

spence, that song is great!
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Little Keith
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 04:57 pm:   

Yo man, I've been here...Okay, I have possibly been a little less present. Taking advantage of the stellar weather to do some galivanting, some road trips: over the weekend I went to Mexico with the girlfriend, then Monday to the San Diego Zoo...
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andreas
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 05:01 pm:   

and the other one, too!
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TROU
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 05:02 pm:   

Unless is timeless...
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Rob Brookman
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 05:03 pm:   

I know what you mean. The deep freeze is over up this way and I've been outside as much as is healthy. Glad to hear you're having fun, man.

Oh, and so's I don't totally derail the thread:

Liz Phair - "Exile in Guyville"
The Silos - "Cuba"
De La Soul - "Three Feet High and Rising"
Yoko Ono - "Rising"
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andreas
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 05:17 pm:   

pere ubu - ray gun suitcase

and

the byrds in their second year.
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kevin
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 05:28 pm:   

Spence, glad Chris likes The Clientele, like you say I'm surprised he hadnt heard of them because it sounds to me like the kind of stuff he would be aware of. He is a journalist I always read with interest, going back to his days with the Melody Maker in the 80s(if it wasnt for his glowing review I might never had heard of the wonderful Miss America by Mary Margaret O'Hara), right up to his writing in Uncut today. He was a massive fan of Blue Aeroplanes wasnt he? He is also a major Bowie and Iggy obsessive too.
I especially like your song Birdghost, it was too short so I had to play it twice :-) Caroline seems to half sing/half speak on this, and What does your heart say - the other couple of songs I have heard before she was singing more conventionally if you know what I mean, is that a new direction for the band?

Amy Whitehouse - hmmmm. Guess there is no mystique about her in the UK compared to the US, and admittedly I havent heard the new album, have only heard singles from her albums which in my opinion totally suck.

Alison is one of the few songs from MAIT that I like, surprised you dont rate it Randy, even my Dad quite liked it :-)
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kevin
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 05:38 pm:   

Spence, this is the first review I have seen of the new Clientele album - from Pitchfork. They really love this band, Strange Geometry was well reviewed by them too. Interesting to see it was recorded with the guy from Lambchop in Nashville, as I said before I love the pedal steel they incorporate into their sound even although there is no way they are remotely a "country" band.

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/re cord_review/42801-god-save-the-clientele
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Little Keith
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 05:48 pm:   

Feist - The Reminder

Kev, when we agree, we really agree. Feist has crafted a fantastic record. I really like her voice - it's really strong and sexy and, novelty in this day and age, you get a strong sense of a real human being...remarkable stuff.

Also listening to the Leonard Cohen re-issues, of his first three albums. Surely one of the great songwriters that have ever lived, on this planet, or any others.
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Randy Adams
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 10:17 pm:   

Kevin, the fact that your dad liked "Alison" might have been a warning to you. It sounds like James Taylor to me.
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Little Keith
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Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 10:22 pm:   

James Taylor? It might be time to change the needle on the ole record player, maybe invest in some Q-tips! :-)
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Mark Leydon
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Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 06:40 am:   

Randy, that's interesting about Helen Shapiro, - obviously another precocious nth London girl. Less black sounding than Amy Winehouse - puts me in mind of Sandy Shore (with maybe a bit of Dusty thrown in). I think Winehouse is going to be round for a while - provided she can keep her personal demons in check. I've seen a couple of youtube live clips where she is so wasted its embarrasing (they shoulda made her go to rehab!). But seen others where she is just terrific (there's a great duet of her and Paul Weller doing Heard it Through the Grapevine on there somewhere).

Re the EC debate above. I was obsessed by him from about 79 thru 83, and still rate Get Happy, Trust and Imperial Bedroom as 3 of my favourite albums. But since then I reckon his songwriting has been incosistent - and his voice somehow more annoying. Still produces the odd gem - such as God Give Me Strength. But I find it hard to listen to his more recent albums the whole way through.
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Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 09:24 am:   

Cheers for the comments about the songs guys.

kev, yep Chris still is a bowie obsessive, I think he's interviewed him a few times now.

I don't think Caroline is concious of her vocal delivery. On some new trax she's sounding pretty much lke Beth Gibbons from Portishead. Nice observation tho.

Its nice the way people incorporate pedal steel. I adore the sound, its all over our new stuff.

Rob do you want to email them to me individually? let me know.

Randy, I'd prefer helen Shapiro asnyday ver Amy Winer. I just don't get it. Great voice. I don't see greatness there though to be honest.

Your description had me rolling on the floor with laughter, you should be a journalist Randy!!!

e Costello, i kinda like compilations of his stuff, but he failed to grab with individual albums. Personally, I can't abide the man, but must admit to liking some of his classics. That said, he's fairly intelligent songwriter, Shipbuilding eing a good example.
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Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 09:42 am:   

E. Costello could do with taking a break more often like Dylan, these days. Let the songs flow, don't force the issue.

Roisin Murphy - Ruby Blue
Rolling Stones - Goats Head Soup
The Noisettes - What's The Time Mr. Wolf?
The Hold Steady - Almost Killed Me
Erasure - Chorus

... and currently old St. Etienne singles I Was Born On Xmas Day & He's On The Phone.
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Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 10:15 am:   

Randy, as well as Alison, my Dad also loved things like Atmosphere by Joy Division, Reward by Teardrop Explodes, stuff by Durutti Column. As a rule he didnt like Elvis C,but I think he just admired well constructed tuneful songs. He didnt like when I played reggae though, but he did like Bob Marley and that was just from stuff he heard on the radio like Waiting in Vain, Could you be Loved - stuff that I would call "pop reggae".
This could be another thread - cool stuff that our parents also liked, or to turn it on its head, stuff that you loved that your parents hated with a passion.
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Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 10:31 am:   

Jimmy Cliff Anthology
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Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 12:50 pm:   

Highway 61 Revisited. Part of an iPod mix I've made up of the 10 most played songs on the Never Ending Tour. They are, in order:

1 All Along The Watchtower (I've used the MTV Unplugged version)
2 Highway 61 Revisited
3 Like a Rolling Stone
4 Tangled Up In Blue
5 Maggie's Farm (I've used the No Direction Home live version)
6 Rainy Day Women # 12 & 35 (I've never even much liked this song as it happens. Used the MTV version)
7 Masters Of War (used the No Direction Home live version)
8 Mr Tambourine Man (used the No Direction Home 1st complete take version)
9 Don't Think Twice, It's Alrght (used the No Direction Home demo version)
10 It Ain't Me Babe

The versions I used are not necessarily my favourite versions, it's just what was available on my iPod.
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Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 02:37 pm:   

I loved EC and he could do very little wrong I use to see all his London shows and seen him regularly since I left London, but there is something I can't put my finger on which has diminished him in my eyes,probably it is that he tries too hard of late to try different styles and then his more conventional albums are filled with half a dozen poor tracks.I suppose he is getting pretentious which turns me off,and the fact that he had his wedding at Elton Johns pad.
There I've said it, and feel better for it.
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Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 03:31 pm:   

Kevin, I'm guessing your dad is about 15 years younger than mine. The coolest thing my dad ever liked was "Midnight in Moscow" by Kenny Ball. If your father was born in 1924 and you were born in 1956, it was like you were from two different species.
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kevin
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Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 03:57 pm:   

Randy, My dad was born in 1933, so when he was being forced to listen to the stuff I was listening to in the late seventies/early eighties he would be the same age, or just a little bit older than me now - bloody hell!!!
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Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 04:35 pm:   

My Dad's no longer here, but he loved Matt Monroe and Tommy Cooper!!!

Just played 16 LL, BH, BYBO in this order. Fantastic.
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Little Keith
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Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 04:59 pm:   

I'm pretty laissez-faire, pretty live and let live, about music - I realize it is deeply subjective and that there really is no right and wrong. If you don't like something that I think is great, to paraphrase the great critic David Fricke from Rolling Stone, that's a drag, man, but it's your loss. So, I try to avoid formulations like, 'if you don't like this, you're really f-ed in the head'...having said that, people who don't like 'Alison' make me come close to saying that. It just seems cuckoo not to like it, it being such a wonderful, classic and moving tune - beautifully constructed...though incredibly tender, it manages to avoid being wussified, by mixing equal parts of scorn and love, without it crossing over into bitterness.

The latter part of Elvi's career (after '85 or whenever) is, even I think, a bit of a mixed bag, though I've enjoyed it and it's definitely had its high points. I think when you hop all over the map in terms of musical genres, you are going to lose some people, by definition. It's probably what's helped him keep it real, keep it fresh, though. His latest album, the one with Allen Toussaint is excellent, I have to point out. One I've never really gotten, I have to admit, is the orchestral experiment, "The Juliet Letters". I still admire it from a distance, though, for its bravery in what it attempted. The guy has just put out so much music it would seem impossible that all of it could be great. If the GoBees had 20 albums, we might even find one or two songs to diss, instead of loving them all...

No rock music was played in my house when my Dad was around. The closest thing to rock or pop he would countenance was "Mario Lanza sings the Student Prince".
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Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 05:08 pm:   

My dad used to love some of my ambient Eno albums, like Discreet Music and Thursday Afternoon. He also liked some of my Peter Green era Fleetwood Mac albums. He's still alive but slowing down now that he is in his late 70's.

I've been listening a lot to Kate Rusby - Underneath The Stars. My favorite female vocalist for the pruity of her voice. Even her "La, La, La's" are so beautiful that I am convinced she has the voice of an angel.
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Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 07:01 pm:   

Arctic Monkeys - Favourite Worst Nightmare
Elbow - Asleep In The Back
Tindersticks - Simple Pleasure
The Sundays - The 3 R's

All in all a top day in.
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Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 09:08 pm:   

I stand corrected Kevin. Your dad was (is) just much much cooler than mine.
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Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 09:41 pm:   

Your dad definitely was cooler than most musically, Kevin. Mine is three years younger than yours, but very rarely had any interest in pop or rock music--and definitely no Factory Records stuff. He did listen to some pretty hip jazz in the '60s, and had a lot of Miles, Sonny Rollins, and Coltrane records. He saw the Beatles play "Hey Jude" on David Frost's TV show in the late '60s and fell so in love with the song he ran out and bought two Beatles albums. Somewhere along the line, he also picked up the Who's "Tommy." When my sister and I were kids, these were the rock albums at home we had to choose from until we started buying our own. After that, he'd get mad at my sis for playing her Led Zep albums too loud. And he once screamed at me to turn down a Squeeze album I was playing. Squeeze, too loud and offensive? Squeeze too loud and offensive? I must have had that thing CRANKED UP.

Perhaps his most adventuresome excursion into music was going to see Captain Beefheart in SF with my sis (who had moved on from the Zep) on the Doc at the Radar Station tour. He didn't become a Van Vliet fan afterward, but he said it was "interesting." A few years later, he really got into Springsteen's "Born in the USA," which I never understood. And about 10 years ago, he fell in love with a song with a prominent drumbeat he heard in TV commercials and as the theme music on sports talk radio show. He asked me to identify it when it came on--turned out to be "Lust for Life" by Iggy Pop. He had to have a copy (I didn't have mine with me), so we went to a store and I suggested he buy the "Trainspotting" soundtrack (thinking there might be something else on the album he'd like too), rather than either the album of the same name or "Nude & Rude," both of which I was sure he'd hate except for that one song. Later, my sister bought him "The Idiot" as a Christmas gift. I don't think he ever listened to it. It was the drumbeat he liked, not Iggy.
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Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 09:57 pm:   

Kurt, thats fantastic. Your sister buying The Idiot for your dad, I would have loved to have saw his face when he opened that particular present. On a similar theme, my mum loved side 1 of Low by David Bowie which came out the same year as The Idiot. She even talked of coming with me to the Bowie gig at the Glasgow Appollo early 1978, she never did come, maybe she had bad memories of a Tom Jones gig she went to at the same venue earlier that decade :-)
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Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 10:57 pm:   

So, how was that '78 Bowie gig, Kevin? Wish I'd managed to see him back in those days.

And you reminded me that my parents liked Tom Jones. Used to hear him a lot when I was a kid.
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Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 12:39 am:   

jerry - how perfect is the three Rs? i don't seem to ever be able to tire of it. from time to time i still wake up in the middle of the night with the compulsion to listen to the entire thing before going back to sleep.
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Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 03:17 am:   

New Pornographers - first album. When one of the guys is singing lead: damn good postmod pop. When Neko is singing lead: Valhalla.
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Pádraig Collins
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Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 03:50 am:   

Paris by James McMurtry. Thanks LK. Great song. I wonder if he dedicates it to the soon-to-be-jailed heiress ho these days?
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Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 03:53 am:   

Helen Shapiro. Love her! Thanks Randy. I'd much rather listen to her than Amy Winehouse.
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Pádraig Collins
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Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 04:12 am:   

Augie March's Thanks For The Memes EP.
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Little Keith
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Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 05:18 am:   

My pleasure, PC. And cheers on the Paris reference - I wasn't sure how much of that makes it way overseas. Here, it's gotten a lot of play. At first, there was a petition for the Governator to pardon her, so she wouldn't have to serve her time. Then, it was followed in rapid succession by a petition to insist she goes...We Americans, we sure get preoccupied with some important things...

I gotta admit, though. I'm feeling a bit of the good old shadenfreude for the poor heiress. I can't think of a soul who deserves a stint in the pokey more.
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Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 02:37 pm:   

Kurt, that Bowie tour was the one that spawned the live album Stage. If you have heard that you will know what to expect. It was the tour that will be remembered for the resurrection of the songs from Ziggy which had been discarded for a few years. My abiding memory of the gig was the very first song, Station to Station. The hall filled to the synth sounds mimicing a train and seemed to go on forever,criss crossing both sides of the hall until Bowie walked on to a rapturous ovation. The one and only time I ever saw him, I was too young to see him before this, and after that he got crap before he came anywhere near Scotland again
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Posted on Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 08:02 am:   

The Rolling Stones - Rolled Gold. It doesn't exist on CD (not in any official capacity anyway), but I've re-created my (still near pristine) double vinyl copy as an iTunes playlist because I had all the songs elsewhere. I had a brief panic after including the wrong version of Out Of Time (the Jagger solo version rather than the Aftermath version); but this was soon sorted when I realised my error!
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Posted on Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 06:56 pm:   

Snagged from the 99 cent vinyl bin, five fine albums I used to own and now do again:

Woodentops - Well Well Well
Nick Lowe - Pinker and Prouder than Previous
Rockpile - Seconds of Pleasure
Bette Midler - The Divine Miss M
Original Soundtrack to "Barry Lyndon"
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Allen Belz
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Posted on Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 06:57 pm:   

Oops, I was going to post the above in the Last Five Records bought thread, but I suppose it fits just as well here.
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Little Keith
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Posted on Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 07:44 pm:   

I'm a huge fan of the Rockpile record, Allen. Such unabashed joy in making music - what a gimmick! Real emotion, real musicians playing real music and grooving on it and each other. It's a shame their collective egos didn't allow them to soldier on too long after that...Lowe and Edmunds, and even Bremner made some decent records after that, though. The poor drummer, though, Terry whatsit, ended up having to drum for Dire Straits. Eeuuwww...

My listening this weekend has involved delving into back catalog of two favorites, the National and the Detroit Cobras, in anticipation of their upcoming new releases, which may be out for all I know, just not available in the one-horse burg I live in. Goshamighty, both are capable of making great music. I played "Mink Rat or Rabbit" last night to annoy the upstairs neighbors and pay them back for their incessant conga practice and I just listened to "Sad Songs For Dirty Lovers" on my iPod as I did my morning run. Wonderful stuff.
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Posted on Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 08:45 pm:   

Agreed on the Rockpile, LK...sometimes when bands set out to do nothing but have some serious fun they can get all self-conscious about it, but they didn't. IMO, Nick never did lose that knack...it would've been nice if the record came with the Nick/Dave Everly Bros. EP originally included, but what can you expect for a buck?

Also listening to (and digging to the nth) Mr. James Brown's "Soul Pride: The Instrumentals 1960-1969")
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Posted on Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 08:53 pm:   

I listened to a young female at my Father-in-law's local social club murdering Losing My religion on karaoke. I then hoped Party Fears two would be the next song, I quietly laughed to myself in the corner of the room.
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Posted on Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 11:08 pm:   

Cocteau Twins - Heaven or Las Vegas
The Earlies - The Enemy Chorus
The Field - From Here We Go Sublime
Feist - The Reminder
Cat Power - The Greatest
and Folk Off - a new folk and psychedelia 2 cd thing, one disc British artists, the other North American, lots of new artists I hadn't heard on there..on the Sunday Best label.
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spence
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Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 01:48 pm:   

Live MCMXCIII by The Velvet Underground.

I played it a few times over the years, but today I really, really listened. Its fu*2in amazing! They play so wel together, and you really ghet to hear some outstanding guitar interplay between Lou and Sterling. ALthough i think Lou is not a particularly great guitarist, he works well on the CD.

They have really impressed me today, long live The Velvets!
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Wolfgang Steinhardt
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Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 04:13 pm:   

I am heavily infected with early Calypso since I bought a compilation called "London Is The Place For Me: Trinidadian Calypso In London, 1950-1956".
Now Bear Family released a Box-Set called "West Indian Rhythm" with historical Decca recordings from the years 1935-1940. I need someone to tell me that it's bullshit and not worth buying before I spend a fortune on that. I'll probably do it anyway, but hints to a Calypso debutant would be welcome...
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Kurt Stephan
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Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 04:36 pm:   

Hmm, Spence, you must be about the only one who rates that album. I'd agree that some of the music is very good, but Lou's vocals are atrocious--especially "Venus in Furs." When Cale takes the lead on "Waiting for the Man," it's a relief. For me, the best part of the album is hearing Sterling and Moe's contributions finally recorded well.
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spence
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Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 08:43 am:   

Kurt, I mut admit, the album (double CD version by the way), never previously grabbed me. But yesterday it seemed to take on a new lease of life. There was so much creativity, and fantastic interplay, I'd never really paid that much attention to it before. As when every recognisable tune comes on , its like, oh, ok Venus in Furs, OK, I'll half listen as it won't be as good as the original.
But, listening to all of it yesyerday it rocked, big time. As good as anything around today, for me it showed how great they really were, I am pleased I have gone through this review process, it makes me appreciate VU more the less I have played them over the years, for what they really were, an inspirational and very important rock band who creatively had it all, from the rough to the smooth.
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Randy Adams
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Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 05:03 pm:   

I can't help you Wolfgang. It sounds like a really interesting and excellent idea to me. No, I haven't heard it.
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spence
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Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 09:42 pm:   

SKY BLUE SKY. WIlco.

Its wonderful.

It really is.

You get lost in its beautifulness. The television guitars, are really sincere too, notrying to be Verlaine/lloyd, jeff is soulful, not trying to be Otis, its the understated ATTITUDE, I love it!

There! No am not drunk.
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XY765
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Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 09:19 am:   

Ditto, it's on non-stop with me at the moment, looking forward to playing it to Ms XY tonight with a bottle of wine...

Spence did you ever get your hands on the AM and Summerteeth demos? If not get in touch with me and we'll work something out...
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spence
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Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 12:06 pm:   

Cool. Like the sound of Ms XY!!! i keep envisaging C3PO!!!

No, would love the Am and Summer demos pls. Will be in touch, thanks mate. :-)
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XY765
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Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 01:06 pm:   

You should see baby XY Spence! Less mobile than R2D2 but noisier....

Will be in touch re demos...

BTW Wilco are webcasting the London gigs...

We will be webcasting both of WILCO's upcoming shows from Shepherds Bush Empire in London, England on Sunday, May 20 and Monday, May 21.

Sunday's webcast will be available exclusively via the QuickTime movie that is included on the "Sky Blue Sky" CD. You will be able to access the webcast live by inserting the CD into your computer and launching the player.

Monday night's webcast will be available to the public via the ROADCASE section of wilcoworld.
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frank bascombe
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Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 02:41 pm:   

The National-Alligator, such a good record can't wait for the new one when it is released this monday.
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kevin
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Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 02:56 pm:   

Jerry you will not be disappointed, its different but the same if you know what I mean? Have you heard Sad Songs For Dirty Lovers, which was the (I think) 2nd album by The National. Played it for the first time in ages today, forgot how good it was.
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frank bascombe
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Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 04:45 pm:   

No not heard that Kevin, so much to listen too not enough time (might be my moto),still listening to The Clientele + Wilco(-will have to fill in the gaps in my Wilco collection between SBS and Yankee).
Could do with Napster but have Mac /ipod etc at home so that is incompatible and only so much money to I can spend,same old same old.
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Jerry Clark
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Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 06:00 pm:   

Joe, that Sundays album is a stunner. It sounds like it was recorded in a barn in Oxfordshire. The warmest sounding record I've heard. No studio diddling required. The only problem is that even they couldn't match it.

This week

Miles Hunt - Not An Exit
Rage Against The Machine - The Battle Of Los Angeles
Mick Harvey - Two Of Diamonds
Talking Heads - 1975 Demos
Dinosaur Jr - Beyond
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Pádraig Collins
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Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 11:40 am:   

Lisa Miller - Pushover EP. It came out three years ago but I just picked it up a few days ago. It's great, I'll have to get some more of her stuff. She's Australian btw.
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Hugh Nimmo
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Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 02:53 pm:   

Padraig, she has a wonderful voice and 'Pushover' which first appeared on her album 'Version Originale' is a superb song. I have her first four albums and they are all good in their own way. 'Car Tape' in particular is very good. It's a covers album of songs written and performed by people she obviously admires ( Ron & Jimmy Isle; Dillard/Clark; Doug Sahm; Dino Valente - Karen Dalton; Townes Van Zandt; Lyle Lovett; J.J. Johnson/Bill Withers; Denny Laine - Colin Blunstone.) Her new album has just been released and I suspect I will pick it up in due course.

Currently listening to Clocks/Pretender by Montt Mardie which is a two disc set. The first album is made up of ten songs recorded with a string quartet and big band backing with Mardie sounding like a mix of Frankie Valley/Style Council/Motown while the second consists of ten tracks where he collaborates/duets with other Swedish artists ( Andreas Mattsson; Frederik Hellstrom ( Le Sport ); Jens Lekman; Johan Angergärd ( The Legends ); Vapnet; Hello Saferide and others. Wonderful stuff.
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Randy Adams
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Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 03:39 pm:   

Hugh, you MUST have at least 10,000 records. This Lisa Miller person sounds really interesting. Who are Ron & Jimmy Isle?
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Rob Brookman
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Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 04:32 pm:   

Archers of Loaf - "All the Nation's Airports." God, I miss this band.
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Allen Belz
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Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 07:29 pm:   

Agreed, Rob...they were one of those bands that I sometimes found a little hard to explain the greatness of to an unbeliever, but there was so very much in their dense textures to get excited about, if one was willing to immerse. I played "Speed of Cattle" with great pleasure a few weeks ago.
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Hugh Nimmo
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Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 07:54 pm:   

Randy, I wish. At the moment I have a little over 5000 albums ( 2000 vinyl and 3000 cds.) When I first started collecting, I reckoned I would buy less music as I got older but the opposite has proved to be the case and, at the present time, my collection is increasing at an alarming rate. The nice thing is that I am retired and have a lot of time to listen to what I buy.

Lisa Miller credits the individual singles/albums from which she took the tracks for 'Car Tape' on the insert which accompanies the album. While some of these tracks are from albums recorded by the songwriters, others are from albums recorded by different artists. In the case of the song 'The Boy Who Radiates That Charm' which is credited to Ron and Jimmy Isle, the track is from an album recorded by Arthur Alexander. I have no further information on Ron & Jimmy Isle. Other examples include 'Something On Your Mind' which is credited to Dino Valenti and which is from an album recorded by Karen Dalton, 'Say You Don't Mind' which is credited to Denny Laine and which is from an album recorded by Colin Blunstone and 'Give Back The Key To My Heart' which is credited to Doug Sahm and which is from an album recorded by Sir Doug And The Texas Tornados.
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Randy Adams
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Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 08:03 pm:   

Hugh, you point up the issue of time. I find with my other obligations etc. plus the realities of my own little mental "chip" that there's only so much music I can take in at any given time and so I miss out on a lot of what folks are raving over here. And too many of the things I get receive too superficial a listen. For example, the other night I pulled out a CD of Barbara Manning odds and ends which I only heard one time before when I bought it a couple of months ago. On that first listen I seemed to focus more on the throwaway tracks (and, yes, there definitely are some). This time I was really getting into the great ones. I wish I had Kevin's fast chip for processing music. Thanks for the info re Lisa Miller.
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Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 09:03 pm:   

Keren Ann's latest (self titled). I have found with her releases there are always a track that immediately stands out. This time, it's the second track 'Lay your Head Down': very Velvets chugging beginning (all that living in NY?), but then the vocal veers off in an unusual manner, strings comes in and then a harmonica. And a beautiful chorus hook. Perfect left-of-field pop.

I can't claim that what she does is genre-breaking, but there is a sense that she knows exactly what she is doing and what she wants. An honesty?
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Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 09:05 pm:   

Randy, my wife wishes I didnt have that chip :-)
She used to be well into music, albeit stuff like Genesis,Peter Gabriel, The Doors and all that New Romantic stuff from the 80s. Also, she was the only person I ever heard of who liked Robyn Hitchcock, before I started visiting here anyway. Then she grew up, and got responsible, and started to behave like an adult, something I need to do more. However, I guess I am a "lifer" regarding music,especailly new stuff, and she realises this even if it does sometimes pee her off!!
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Allen Belz
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Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 09:26 pm:   

The Knife - Silent Shout

Red Hot + Riot

EC - Armed Forces, album and bonus disc
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Hugh Nimmo
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Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 11:43 pm:   

Randy, the fact of the matter is that I have far more music than I need but the thrill of hearing a great new song or finding a wonderful new artist/band ensures that I just keep on adding to my already substantial collection. I also enjoy supporting artists/bands who are unlikely to ever make it into the big time and the small independant labels they invariably record for and I don't worry too much about how often I will find the time to listen to them.

Try and get a listen to 'Car Tape.' It contains a real mix of styles ( folk, country, soul, blues and jazz ) but it gels well as an album and I like it a lot.

My apologies to Frankie for spelling his surname with an 'ey' earlier in this thread.

I love hearing what other people on this forum are listening to and on occasions it encourages me to pull out stuff I have not played for years as was the case recently when Padraig discovered Kev Carmody.

Kevin, I have been listening to 'Person Pitch' by Panda Bear on a regular basis for the last couple of months and agree with you totally. It really is a stunning album.

Currently listening to 'Radical' by Don Lennon which is the fifth album released by this talented American singer/songwriter.
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Pádraig Collins
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Posted on Sunday, May 20, 2007 - 12:52 am:   

Hugh, there's an outtake from Car Tape on the EP I got; Hickory Wind. I can see why it was left off the album (maybe not quite finished), but it's still good.

Right now I'm listening to a Josh Pyke disc called Recordings 2003-2005. It's seven songs from a previous EP and single he released under a different name. So far I like it a lot. He's another Australian btw Randy.
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Allen Belz
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Posted on Sunday, May 20, 2007 - 08:19 am:   

Laurie Anderson - "Home of the Brave" and "Strange Angels"
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Allen Belz
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Posted on Sunday, May 20, 2007 - 08:57 am:   

And Sonic Youth's "Murray Street," a deceptively simple and quiet record that keeps revealing new byways with each listen. Echoes nicely in the semi-ghost-town that is the weekend GoBees board.
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Posted on Sunday, May 20, 2007 - 11:46 am:   

Spence, knowing you are a big Blue Aeroplanes fan, wondered if you are aware of this? Includes a cover of Outdoor Miner by Wire

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Harvester-Blue-A eroplanes/dp/B000MV9NDM/ref=br_lf_m_1000 065673_2_36_img/026-7158543-6621237?%5Fe ncoding=UTF8&s=music&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1 OLE&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=03MDAJGETE9 QMP4W023V&pf_rd_t=1401&pf_rd_p=140314391 &pf_rd_i=1000065673
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Posted on Sunday, May 20, 2007 - 01:02 pm:   

jerry....couldn't agree with you more on the sundays front. so distressing they couldn't follow it up with anything remotely as good. a couple of tracks on blind are....pretty....i suppose, but that's as far as i'd stretch. dammit!
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spence
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Posted on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 11:49 am:   

cheers kev, i was gonna play on a deep purple cover I seem to recall which was gonna be featured on this compilation, but i went down with real bad flu!:-(

thanks anyway wil take a peek.

jo sundays album was teriffic, many great memories attache to that first album.
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Posted on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 12:21 pm:   

In spite of the fact that I bought over forty cds in the past few days (Sydney's Cheap-CD shops rock!), I keep returning to 10,000 Maniacs' In My Tribe.

It's hard to believe it's 20 years old!!! It was one of the hundrends, possibly thousands of cd's I probably wanted to buy back then, but a couple of quid's pocket money would only stretch so far. Now that I'm all "sensible" and "grown-up", and am in a position to understand the term "disposable income", I'm having a blast filling in the gaps.

And while I've got about 39 others to catch up on, I keep returning to this one. I'm starting to hear Verdi Cries in my sleep...
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Hugh Nimmo
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Posted on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 02:39 pm:   

Padraig, thanks for the information on the 'Car Tape' outtake. I have added the EP to my 'to buy' list and will probably order it along with the new album sometime soon.

Currently listening to Mason Jennings and Birds Flying Away by Mason Jennings.
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Pádraig Collins
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Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 11:53 am:   

Hugh, I thought I was the only person who owned a Mason Jennings record! Must dig that first album out again.
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Randy Adams
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Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 04:03 pm:   

Is Mason Jennings the "Classical Gas" guy?
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Hugh Nimmo
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Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 04:23 pm:   

Randy, that was Mason Williams.
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Hugh Nimmo
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Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 04:27 pm:   

Randy, this is the guy Padraig and I are talking about:-

http://www.myspace.com/masonjennings

http://www.masonjennings.com
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Little Keith
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Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 04:50 pm:   

I have Mason Jenning's "Boneclouds" record and it's excellent. One of those basically folkie types that still manages to keep it fresh and exciting.

Right now I still have that Wilco record in heavy rotation. Glad I got the deluxe version with the DVD, cuz some of the versions on it cut the ones from the CD.

Also enjoying:

Rufus Wainwright - Release the Stars. Typically prefer his Dad, but I gotta give Rufe props - he's come up with an ace batch of songs. A standout in particular is one about America, called "Going To a Town", that is pretty scathing.

Joe Strummer - The Future Is Written. A soundtrack to a biodoc that serves, basically, as a great mix tape.

Mavis Staples - We'll Never Turn Back. Sublime and wonderful. Produced by the great Ry Cooder, who also plays on virtually every track.
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Michael Bachman
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Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 05:01 pm:   

Mojave 3 - Excuses For Travellers. Mojave 3 turns country. Decent, as good as Lambchop at doing the country bit. I wish Slowdive would get back together though.

I also have been listening to a couple of the old Cranes albums, Cranes - Forever and Cranes - Loved.
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Hugh Nimmo
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Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 05:42 pm:   

Padraig, we are up to three now.

LK, I don't have that one but plan on picking it up sometime soon so I am glad to hear you rate it.

Currently listening to 'Covenant' by Greg Brown. A reviewer on Amazon said Brown might just be one of America's most underrated national treasures and I, for one, would not disagree.
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Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 09:05 pm:   

Listening to 'Boxer' by the National. You will not be disappointed with any of their releases, trust me on this..
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kevin
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Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 09:32 pm:   

Peter, Boxer is superb. I played Alligator to death a couple of years back and am starting to do the same with this one. I would imagine though that the singers voice might be a stumbling block for some people, not for me and you and LK though obviously - you still rate it LK?

Battles - Mirrored.
Von Sudenfed - Tromatic Reflexxions - MES gets on his dancing shoes with this collaberation with Mouse On Mars
Gregory Isaacs - The Winner- The Roots of Gregory Isaacs
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Little Keith
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Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 09:47 pm:   

Absolutely, Kev. The National are great. I'm really taken with what I guess are their last three records, each of them special in their own way. I guess I need to trek out to a record store (an increasingly rare outing for me) and get an official copy of Boxer, to replace my dodgy CD-R. It's weird, but I really do somehow take it more seriously, really buckle down to listen when I get the real deal. Maybe it's having the lyrics and packaging...

Currently leading the top of my National hit parade are Mr. November and Murder Me Rachael, both wacky, almost random songs set to great tunes.
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Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 02:17 am:   

I've been in a buy slowdown but "Michael Head Presents the Strands" showed up in my mail today. A delightful record.
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spence
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Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 05:38 am:   

Must get The national, sounds great.

Randy, Micheal Head CD sounds great, never heard it, seen it never heard it! Must get it!

I would also like Shack's HMS Fable, the second reissue with outtakes deoms etc.

Today (this morning 5am!!) lined up are

the Jam - All Mod Cons

Thin lizzy - Gretest Hits

Micordisney - Crooked Mile and 39 Minutes...

All revved up and ready to get imported onto iTunes.
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Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 08:31 am:   

Wilco-Ghost is Born
The National-Boxer ,not played this yet as can't seem to get Wilco from the car CD player but will play it today, spoilt for choice yerserday as Ghost came through the post and nipped to HMV and got Boxer
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Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 09:23 am:   

First time in a while that I hit a record shop on release day, but then Boxer by The National was due out Monday 21st in Ireland, only to be told it's pushed back til Friday. My appetite whetted by the posts above, The guy in the shop had it out the back but I failed to convince him to let me have it, rules are rules and all that.
Saw them playing live in a small club when aligator was released and it was hands down my favourite live show that year. His voice is a bit Stuart Staples but that's a good thing in my books.
They've gotten steadily better with every release, can they keep that ascent going with Boxer, I hope so.
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Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 10:32 am:   

In the UK they seem to be playing small clus and the odd festival, I more or less hate festivals and the nearest date in in Stoke, on a monday night, so not sure will go down for it.Though if i get the energy /time etc I'm sure will be worth it.They don't seem to be playing in any of the bigger norther cities, or Scotland for that matter.
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frank bascombe
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Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 10:32 am:   

Clus!! please read Clubs
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Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 11:29 pm:   

LK, unfortunately 'Boxer' doesn't come with lyrics in the inlay - it's actually quite hard to make out some of his lyrics this time also so I'm going to have to check some of them on the Internet..the other thing (apart from the lyrics)that really lifts the band for me is the drummer - really nice playing, not your traditional indie blandness..peter - are you talking about the Whelans gig last year ? If so I agree, it was really superb..I was looking at their website and they played the Cobblestone (trad Irish pub) in 2001 ! Frank, they are definitely worth seeing live - maybe the Alligator material is more immediate live than the Boxer tracks but I'm sure it will still be worth going to - they only play a festival here in Ireland..
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Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 12:47 am:   

Ah, more's the pity, Pete. The lyrics, in addition to the wonderful music, provide a lot of the fun: there's some crazy shit going on there. I'm still wondering what "Mr. November", with its whacky, "I won't fuck us over" refrain.

But, who'm I kidding? The lack of a lyric sheet won't deter me from buying it. And, I've actually been in possession of a dodgy CDR copy for months, so I know it's good.
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Pádraig Collins
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Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 11:30 am:   

Little Axe - Stone Cold Ohio. Liking it a lot so far. They're a band that last crossed my radar about 13 years ago.
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spence
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Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 12:22 pm:   

LA Woman - The Doors
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Little Keith
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Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 05:41 pm:   

The Warmth of the Sun - the Beach Boys. A great new comp that takes the road less travelled - it covers some of the lesser known, but fantastic, album tracks that haven't been heard a zillion times.
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Hugh Nimmo
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Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 07:45 pm:   

Peter d, the band post the lyrics to their songs on their website although those from 'Boxer' have still to be added.

http://www.americanmary.com/music/
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Jerry Clark
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Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 07:58 pm:   

I'll see your LA Woman & raise you a Strange Days. In addition.

Fiona Apple - Tidal
The Dead Kennedy's - In God We Trust...
The Gossip - Standing In The Way Of Control
Smaller - Badly Badly
Lloyd Cole - Music In A Foreign Language
Luscious Jackson - Greatest Hits
Muddy Waters - The Chess Box Disc 3
Siouxsie & The Banshees - Once Upon A Time
The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead
The Waterboys - Book Of Lightning
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spence
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Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 09:25 pm:   

Bloody ell Jerry, you some sorta human jukebox my buddy!??

You are eclecticism personified!!
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Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 10:47 pm:   

on the train back for London Wilco-SBS, The National-Alligator, really getting in to this again, and TVZ just to finish the journey, glad to get home
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joe
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Posted on Friday, May 25, 2007 - 05:20 am:   

the new manics record. granted, i'm hopelessly devoted where they're concerned..regardless of how many lifebloods or know your enemys they have in them. on the other hand, this one sounds a whole lot more immediate and well...catchier. a nod to past/more successful records but still impassioned and even kinda exciting again.
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Posted on Friday, May 25, 2007 - 10:02 am:   

Peter D, yes it was the Whelans show, truly electric show! They've just been confirmed for Thursday 1st Nov at that kip that is The Village. Can't believe they played the cobblestone, though I hadn't heard of them when that first record came out, that would have been sweet! I saw the great Martin Stephenson play there, the only time I was ever in it, it's tiny, The National's Cobblestones days are long behind them, fortunately for them. Off to get Boxer at Lunchtime..woo hoo!

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