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Rob Brookman
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Post Number: 1013
Registered: 08-2006
Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 08:02 pm:   

This thread was spurred by a question Kurt asked, and I think it's a good one. Are there any albums from the last 10 years that stand up with classic of yesteryear like "Marquee Moon" or "Blonde on Blonde" or "The Clash" or whatever?

I'm far less gloomy about the state of album-making than some around these parts, so I say hell, yes. But I'm gonna take a bit to make a list and let others dive in.
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Kurt Stephan
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Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 08:06 pm:   

Geez, you actually read that rambling post, Rob? You're crazy!
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Rob Brookman
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Post Number: 1014
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Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 08:31 pm:   

Evelyn Wood Speed Reading, age 10. I'm kidding - I'm actually enjoying the back and forth over at "Early Contenders." Given the boxing light motif going on over there, maybe it should be called "Coulda Been a Contender."
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Little Keith
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Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 09:00 pm:   

Everything by Los Straitjackets and Big Sandy and his Fly-Rite Boys.
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Catherine Vaughan
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Post Number: 339
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Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 09:09 pm:   

Big Sandy?? God, I haven't heard them in ages!! I saw them at a music festival a few years ago - must dig out the CDs.
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Little Keith
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Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 09:36 pm:   

Since classic is such a vague, impossible to define word, I'm coming up with a new definition. So, in my formula, sheer poundage = classic. If you have a fat arse singer and/or wear Mexican wrestling masks, I deem you classic!
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Kurt Stephan
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Post Number: 1604
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Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 10:06 pm:   

That new criteria is going to make things a lot more straightforward on this board...thanks, LK!

"Sorry, Bob Dylan, even though your new album is a combination of brilliant wordplay, heartfelt emotion, and gutsy blues-based music that rivals your mid-sixties best, you're too scrawny and where's the Mexican wrestling mask?? NEXT!"
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C Gull
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Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 10:53 pm:   

I reckon The White Stripes' Elephant will stand the test of time.
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Rob Brookman
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Post Number: 1015
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Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 01:45 am:   

Okay, since I started this thread I'm duty-bound to populate it.

First off, I'll say that I mainly listen to new music, at least that released in the last 10 years. I love "Marquee Moon" etc. but I've heard it, fer chrissakes. I don't play it a lot.

I also don't hold older albums in higher esteem than newer ones. Sure, they had the public zeitgeist on their side, but that doesn't make them better than great stuff that maybe gets lost in today's flavor-of-the-month release system. So - even though I expect to be taken to task for this – here are 10 albums released since 1997 I think are every bit as good as so-called "classic" records released previously. And I could go way beyond this.

1. Magnetic Fields - "69 Love Songs."
2. Lucinda Williams - "Car Wheels on a Gravel Road"
3. PJ Harvey - "Stories from the City, Stories from the Sea"
4. The Wrens - "The Meadowlands"
5. Bob Dylan - "Love and Theft"
6. Arcade Fire - "Neon Bible"
7. The Go-Betweens - "Oceans Apart"
8. Sleater-Kinney - "The Woods"
9. Sonic Youth - "A Thousand Leaves"
10. Le Tigre - "Le Tigre"
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Dr Girlfriend
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Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 03:41 am:   

maybe its because i'm younger, but i think the last ten years have been pretty awesome:

Shins: Chutes Too Narrow
Beck: Mutations and the Information (Guero too!)
Flaming Lips: Soft Bulletin
Arcade Fire: Funeral
Wilco: Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
LCD Soundsystem: first album
Strokes: first album
Streets: Original Pirate Material
Sleater Kinney: All Hands on the Bad One
Spoon: anything!
Yeah Yeah Yeahs: first album
Radiohead: Kid A
Cat Power: You are Free

how many is that? i could go on...

nice list, Rob...Le Tigre is awesome!
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Little Keith
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Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 03:42 am:   

My theory is, there is, proportionately, just as much great music being produced now, or 1 year ago, or 5 years ago, as at any point in history. It is evenly distributed throughout time. People's not being receptive to that has more to do with their own perceptions, subjective filters, fixations on the past, etc., than any qualitative factors the music may possess.

We all do it. I certainly do - you tend to really prize, have the most affection for, music you associate with certain points of your life, typically when you were happiest. For me, it was being in college for the first time. You're enjoying a taste of freedom, having a beer blast every night, getting laid every other night, challenging authority and getting away with it. The music I got into at that time - you can probably guess, was Elvis C., Nick Lowe, Squeeze, Sex Pistols, Clash, etc., and it still has the most resonance for me. I've had to, like you, Rob, make a conscious effort to be open to new things, which has proved rewarding. Music, the joy of discovering new music, in particular, is too important a pleasure to close yourself off to...

You make a great case with your estimable list. I agree - those are 1,000% as good as any of the vaunted classics. Even if they haven't aged like fine wine (I never understood why time had to pass for something to be regarded classic) and been given the sepia-toned stamp of "classic".

The candidates on your list are so good, I, in fact, forgive them for not having a corpulent singer.
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Little Keith
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Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 03:44 am:   

Nice list, too, Doctor.

ps - any new tatts?
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David Gagen
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Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 07:58 am:   

Sorry Rob, Love and Theft doesn't even make Bob's top 20 (IMHO) Time Out Of Mind towers over it by comparison.

Heres my 10

1 Odelay - Beck
2 Abattoir Blues/Orpheous - Nick Cave
3 XO - Elliot Smith
4 Grand Prix - Teenage Fan Club
5 Time Out Of Mind - Bob
6 American Recordings (all of em)- Johnny Cash
7 Elephant - White Stripes
8 PJ Harvey (anything)
9 Mock Tudor - Richard Thompson
10 Jon Auer - Songs From The Year of Our Demise

A few old farts in there but modern classics all!
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Rob Brookman
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Post Number: 1016
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Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 10:56 am:   

I agree with you, LK. I definitely feel there's as much good music coming out today, in aggregate, as there ever was, and there are records being released that people 10, 20, 30 years from now will consider landmark works. The list of classic albums will just get longer, and a younger generation will grow up and look back fondly on the '00s. When I'm drooling in my wheelchair years from now, clutching my dusty Pavement CDs, Dr. Girlfriend - aged 50 - will be on this board telling some kid that music never got any better than LCD Soundsystem and Sleater-Kinney and Spoon and that the 2020s are a barren wasteland musically. So it goes.
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joe
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Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 11:19 am:   

music sounds just as impressive today, but i wonder what happened to the lyric? where did all the politics go?
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Rob Brookman
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Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 12:16 pm:   

By the way, Dr., my example was for illustrative puposes only. I'm sure you'll be a very hip and open-eared 50-year-old!
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Michael Bachman
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Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 03:18 pm:   

1. Neutral Milk Hotel - In The Aeroplane Over The Sea.
2. The Decemberists - Castaways and Cutouts
3. Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane - At Carnegie Hall 1957
4. Sleeter Kinney - Call The Doctor
5. Lucinda Williams - Car Wheels on A Gravel Road
6. The Pernice Brothers - Yours, Mine and Ours
7. Magnetic Fields - 69 Love Songs
8. Kate Rusby - Underneath The Stars
9. Arcade Fire - Funeral
10. Belle and Sebastain - If Your Feeling Sinister
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Kurt Stephan
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Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 04:10 pm:   

So, what are our boundaries here? 1997-07? 1998-07? I'm going to go with the former to sneak #2 in. Only five on this list, and I can't say with conviction that anything past #3 are all-time classics.

1. Magnetic Fields - 69 Love Songs
2. Sleater-Kinney - Dig Me Out
3. Lucinda Williams - Car Wheels on a Gravel Road
4. Pulp - This is Hardcore
5. New Pornographers - Mass Romantic

I thought Beck's "Odelay" and DJ Shadow's "Entroducing" were '97 releases, but Pazz & Jop says '96, so they're near misses.
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Jeff Whiteaker
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Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 04:18 pm:   

These are the albums of the last 10 years that are most likely to remain in my own personal pantheon of "classics":

1. XTC - Apple Venus
2. Go-Betweens - Oceans Apart (to me, this holds up as well as any of their 80s records)
3. Cathal Coughlan - The Sky's Awful Blue (probably the most crucial album on this list)
4. High Llamas - Beet, Maize, and Corn
5. Paddy McAloon - I Trawl the Megahertz
6. Laila Amezian - Initial
7. Stereolab - Dots & Loops

(Problem is, these 7 are all by older artists; none are new, young, etc...)


Honorable mention (at the end of the day, these probably wouldn't quite make the cut, but they're worth mentioning):

1. Cathal Coughlan - Foburg, Black River Falls, Grand Necropolitan - okay, I think Cathal has been absolutely ON FIRE since leaving Fatima Mansions behind. The man fits every definition of genius. I just didn't want to flood my list up above with Cathal records.

2. Saint Etienne - Good Humor (one of the best white people doing soul albums ever made)

3. Aislers Set - How I Learned to Write Backwards (anyone interested in soulful, girl-sung pop with a slightly arty edge and a healthy dose of the 60s NEEDS to own this)

4. Shack have written some exceptional songs over the past decade, particularly on their last two albums, Corner of Miles and Gil and Here's Tom w/ the Weather. But, despite this, I find both albums to be a bit inconsistent, falling just short of the "classic" status I bestow on earlier Shack or the Pale Fountains.

And finally, I quibbled over including Brian Wilson's/Beach Boy's Smile: although the official version was re-recorded and released a few years ago, it was all written and conceived in the 60s, and I'd heard most of the originals back in the early-to-mid 90s, so I decided to omit it from this list. Maybe I shouldn't have?
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Jerry Clark
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Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 04:31 pm:   

I'd go along with This Is Hardcore, Kurt. Truly epic.

Radiohead - OK Computer & Kid A
Mansun - Six (along the same lines as Ok Computer, this is anxiety/depression made entertainment)
Public Enemy - There's A Poison Going On
Belle & Sebastian - Sinister & Arab Strap
Nick Cave - A Boatman's Call & Abatoir Blues/LOO
Elbow - Asleep In The Back
Arcade Fire - Funeral
White Stripes - White Stripes & De Stijl
Asian Dub Foundation - Rafi's Revenge
Doves - Last Broadcast
YYY's - Fever To Tell

... & just for being pure class/showing everyone how it should be done

Kraftwerk - Minimum Maximum

The greatest live double album of all time.
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Rob Brookman
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Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 04:57 pm:   

I made the same decision regarding "Smile," Kurt, but mainly because of the title of the thread. I definitely count it as one of the best records released in the '00s, the same way I count "The Basement Tapes" as one of the best records of the '70s. But I dunno if it's modern in the sense of our discussion.
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Kurt Stephan
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Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 05:06 pm:   

I forgot what might be my favorite of the past 10 years, and I'm the only person in the world who considers this an all-time classic:

Kristin Hersh - Sunny Border Blue
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Kurt Stephan
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Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 05:08 pm:   

I think you mean Jeff...I've never heard "Smile" in my life!
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Jeff Whiteaker
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Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 05:33 pm:   

Rob, it's probably best if I leave "Smile" for a "best of the 00s" list.
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Rob Brookman
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Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 05:49 pm:   

Sorry for the mistaken identity, boys. We all look so similar here.
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Michael Bachman
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Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 07:17 pm:   

I had the wrong Sleater Kinney, delete Call The Doctor and insert Dig Me Out.

Since 2007 isn't complete, I fiqured anything released in 1997 was okay to put on my list. Neutral Milk Hotel - In The Aeroplane Over The Sea, was from 1997 and I didn't bother to look what month it was released. My list may have had 10 albums, but if the list was for the last 20 years instead of the last 10 years none of the albums I have listed would have made the cut, as 10 albums from 1987-1996 would have made up my entire list. Which goes to show that I don't believe there are really are any true "classic" albums from the last 10 years.
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Pádraig Collins
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Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 08:45 am:   

I like Jeff's list best, though Laila Amezian is a new one to me.
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XY765
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Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 09:07 am:   

Can only think of a couple of definite classic over the last 10 years for me and that's 69 Love Songs by the Magnetic Fields and Yankee Hotel Foxtrot by Wilco.

Other possibilities might be Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots by The Flaming Lips and maybe maybe Sea Change by Beck.
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joe
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Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 10:49 am:   

rob your list is great....though i'd rate funeral over neon bible. hardcore is indeed a filthy classic.

i'd also add (all of it pre-98 i think...confessions of a britpop kid):
primals - xtrmntr
b&s if you're feeling sinister
nightlife - the pet shop boys
boo radleys - kingsize (possibly the only one in the country who bought it....scream its praises to this day)
james - pleased to meet you
the verve - urban hymns
madonna - ray of light
manics - everything must go
interpol - turn on the bright lights
massive attack - mezzanine
the postal service - give up

still in "is this it" fallout i'm afraid....
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Rob Brookman
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Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 01:42 pm:   

I didn't really rate "Nighlife" when it came out, Joe, and now I find it's my most-played PSBs CD. Funny.
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Jeff Whiteaker
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Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 03:50 pm:   

Padraig - thanks! Laila Amezian put out a record in '98 that was basically written/conceived/produced by Louis Philippe (of El fame). It's *very* Brazilian - lots of samba, bossa nova, etc... - but with a bit of a 60s euro-french pop twist. I don't know anything about Amezian - like what else she's done musically - except I think she's from Spain. At any rate, being a huge fan of 60s samba and bossa nova, I think this is a beautiful record; an authentic yet innovative and modern take on the genre.

Funny thing I noticed about my list: there's hardly any straight ahead "rock" on there! It's as if (at least in my own little world) rock has died!
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Little Keith
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Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 04:06 pm:   

Do you like Bebel Gilberto, Jeff? Your description of Ms. Amezian would also apply to Bebel. I kind've dig her last few records. I forget the exact connection, but I think she might be Joao Gilberto's daughter. He's made some fantastic records himself.

That brings up another pet peeve about the limitedness of the idea that classics are segregated to one era. I think, also, that when a lot of folks here talk about classics, they're really limiting it to one rather narrow-genre - call it post-post-punk. But there's a whole vast universe of great music in other genres. The world music world, if you will, I know has produced tons of genius music over the last decade or so...I bet you could name 10 classics right off the bat, Rob. Here's one: Youssou N'Dour's "Nothing's In Vain".

Other modern classics I'd add to the list:

Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain
Tom Waits - Orphans
Silver Jews - American Water. I pulled this out the other day and was astonished at how great it sounded.
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Rob Brookman
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Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 04:33 pm:   

Almost all Pavement's record fall into that category for me, LK. And you're right about the whole international music thing. N'Dour's "Egypt" was amazing, as well.

I just noticed four of the 10 albums on my list are female-helmed, five if you count Sonic Yoot. Let Amazon.com put that in their pipes and smoke it, Catherine!
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Little Keith
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Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 04:52 pm:   

Uh oh, Rob. Better invest in a "manziere" (Seinfeld reference).
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Rob Brookman
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Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 05:05 pm:   

Don't you mean a "bro"?
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Kurt Stephan
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Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 07:28 pm:   

I agree about Pavement, LK, except that I was following the '97 or later rule (we do like our rules here, you know). But "Slanted and Enchanted" and "Crooked Rain x2" deserve classic status and I am partial to "Wowee Zowee" just as much, though many would dispute its greatness.
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Little Keith
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Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 09:11 pm:   

Oops, my bad. Trainspotters R us - I forgot. Crooked Rain at least seemed kinda modernish..But, gotta follow them rules. So, I hereby amend my post, on this day of our Lord, November 1, to read, "Pavement - Brighten the Corners". Every bit as brilliant and classic in my book as the others mentioned, and it came out in '97. Extra points for the uber-hip reference to Thelonius Monk.
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joe
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Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 09:39 pm:   

feel the same way about nightlife rob...after very, definitive 90s classic. on the whole, find it much more consistent than behaviour (weak in the middle), which has got me into an argument or two before.
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Michael Bachman
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Posted on Friday, November 02, 2007 - 12:07 pm:   

We could do a list on our favorite Seinfeld episodes.

"The Soup Nazi" is probably my favorite.
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TROU
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Posted on Friday, November 02, 2007 - 01:40 pm:   

Difficult... For me it could be 'The slicer'

The last season is out next week on DVD, with some of my favorites.

http://www.sonypictures.com/tv/shows/sei nfeld/
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Rob Brookman
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Posted on Friday, November 02, 2007 - 01:50 pm:   

The "magic loogie" (or however you spell it) episode was pretty great. I also loved the one where Kramer had the intern and they dropped that rubber oil bladder out the window of George's office and it hit Jerry's girlfriend. Good stuff.
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Kurt Stephan
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Posted on Friday, November 02, 2007 - 03:23 pm:   

The one where they can't find their car in the parking garage. As they say, it's funny because it's true.

And the Soup Nazi, definitely. And Bubble Boy. Etc...
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Little Keith
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Posted on Friday, November 02, 2007 - 03:46 pm:   

You could go on and on...howzabout the Mulva episode, because, everybody knows, you can't ask someone their name after you've made out with them.

And for some reason, I'm flashing on the episode where George discovers the joy of mixing his two favorite pleasures -sex and food - and starts sneaking big sandwhiches in the bedroom.

I'm a little pissed that I've purchased, "boughten" (as they might say in B.R.) all of the seasons up to now on DVD and haven't waited for the big, all-inclusive series box that comes out next week...

As great as the show was, Seinfeld's new cartoon movie, "Bee Movie", really looks like it's going to blow chunks.
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Michael Bachman
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Posted on Friday, November 02, 2007 - 03:51 pm:   

The one with the junior mints. And I can't forget the calzone episode.

The real life Soup Nazi:
http://www.originalsoupman.com/
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Jeff Whiteaker
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Posted on Friday, November 02, 2007 - 03:53 pm:   

Festivus will always have a special place in my heart.
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kevin
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Posted on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 07:50 pm:   

Modern Classics:

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
The Soft Bulletin

Not classics, but very good albums:

Mutations
LCD Soundsystem
Boatmans Call
Kid A
Heartbreaker
Xtrmntr
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Mark Leydon
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Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 04:54 am:   

On the favourite Seinfeld thread - can't go past the 'Serenity Now' episode. The vision of Frank screaming 'Serenity Now' in an increasingly maniacal fashion will long endure.

Check out this youtube montage of the episode:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5513mXmQbw4
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spence
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Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 08:48 am:   

problem is with this thread, its a bit like the Q awards, same old faces.
the unsung, un heard of, unmerited or whatever should take the modern classic tag.
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Peter_d
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Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 10:03 am:   

Seinfeld - love the ending of the Marine Biologist, also the scene in the Outing were Jerry has the conversation with George on the telephone..
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Geoff Holmes
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Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 10:58 am:   

Air - Moon Safari
Beck - Seachange, Odelay, Mutations
Flaming Lips - Yoshimi battles the pink robots
Radiohead - Kid A

Radiohead I like but I don't play it that much - it's a classic though in the risks it takes.
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andreas
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Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 07:19 pm:   

mark hollis - s/t
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Stuart Wilson
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Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 09:21 am:   

Not sure how the Seinfeld thread got mixed into this, but, anyway, a question: having somehow managed to miss all nine series of the show, I'm contemplating treating myself to the boxed set for Christmas, but... does the show still hold up,canned laughter and all, considering it started way back in 1989?? Will it be as fun to watch now as when it originally came out?
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joe
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Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 09:45 am:   

yes definitely....especially the last few years. i'm envious you'll have the chance to see them all for the first time!
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Michael Bachman
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Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 02:58 pm:   

I've only watched a dozen or so, mainly from the season that had The Calzone. Which season is the best Joe?
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Little Keith
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Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 05:57 pm:   

Michael, I'm a big Seinfeld fan, so choosing amongst the seasons is like picking a favorite child. But, I'd say, stick to the middle and avoid the 1st season and the 9th and last one. They hadn't found their groove in the first, and lost it by the last one. And, the finale was, frankly, lame.

But, just about everything else between was sheer, bloody, f-ing genius! If I had to pick one, which after all, is your question, it'd be season 4. It seems packed with the most classic, sidesplitting eps, including the great, clever arc that included "The Bubble Boy" and "The Cheever Letters". It also includes "The Contest", high on the list of alltime greatest and funniest eps.

I'm bummed a little that I've purchased all the seasons so far, because now that they've just put out the final and 9th season, they're also offering a deluxe complete set that has all kinds of great extras, including a big ass coffee table book, etc. Best Buy even has a special edition that comes in a big box made up to look like a fridge...Ah, nerdy stuff! Love to have it, but ain't willing to part with the 200 semolians they want for it.
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Michael Bachman
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Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 08:32 pm:   

LK, Didn't Seinfeld go downhill when writer Larry David left? That might have been after the 7th season.

It's pretty tough for any show to be consistent longer than 7 seasons. I thought the X-Files started tailing off in season six when the show moved to LA. I never bought the dvd's for seasons 8 and 9 and missed watching a number a number of episodes when they were broadcast.

Seasons 4-7 of Star Trek Deep Space Nine are pretty incredible. Nice long story arcs and very intense. It's my favorite Star Trek series.
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Little Keith
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Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 09:11 pm:   

You know, Michael, that actually is my theory as to why the show went downhill. As much as I enjoyed Jerry's acting on the show, I've never really cared that much for his stand-up. It's all tedious, endless variations of the "Did you ever notice how..." or "What's the deal with airline peanuts?" school of comedy. So, I always wondered if he had that much to do with all that was sublime and wonderful about the show, and then, if you watch "Curb Your Enthusiasm", it seems clear that all of that great, twisted and dark humor had to have come from Mr. David.

Also, Seinfeld's new "Bee Movie" is supposed to be a big stinker of major proportions.

And yeah, it's exactly like the X-Files in that respect. You could compare them both to big, juicy steaks - all the most tastiest meat goodness is in that medallion in the center...

Can't go with you on the Star Trek, though. Not really a Trekkie...
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joe
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Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 10:05 pm:   

i think season nine is the best of the lot. i can't speak on behalf of the guys here, but most of my friends who speak of the "golden age" of seinfeld (3-7?) are plesantly surprised when they go back and watch that last one. larry is a genius and i love curb.....season eight was probably a little inconsisent but i love now nonsensical and almost surreal it became. consider these season nine episodes:

the frogger machine -jerry's twelve hour breakup, elaine eating 50 year old wedding cake dancing around the office** absolutely my favourite episode

the butter shave - george's faux-handicap, elaine and putty on the plane screaming at "vegetable lasagne"

the merv griffin show - kramer's flat is now the set of a talk show, jerry drugs his girlfriend so he can play with her toys and elaine has a "sideling" boyfriend to contend with.

the serenity now....like i need to say anything else here

i had these all taped onto vhs, but in the great family lounge room tradition it got taped over by my sisters with felicity or something. i've been guilting them over it ever since and now have the dvds coming to me any day now!!!!
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Michael Bachman
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Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 10:27 pm:   

LK, Regarding the X-Files and your "all the most tastiest meat goodness is in that medallion in the middle" comment, there were some great stand alone episodes in Seasons 1 and 2, some of which are among my all time favorites. However with Season 3-5 the episodes got even more intense or more quirky/funny and the alien/consortium arc was at it's peak.

The new X-Files movie that starts shooting next month is a horror non-alien/consortium story. With so many key characters dead, I'm hoping for some dream sequences with the Lone Gunman, X, Deep Throat, etc.
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kevin
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Posted on Wednesday, December 26, 2007 - 09:30 pm:   

Amazingly three have been released this year imo. Two from the last quarter of the year - Radiohead and Burial, and one which I liked when it first got released and promptly forgot about it - Panda Bear.
At the time of this thread, and the "Early contenders" thread, I had written off 2007 as a relatively poor year, it certainly ended with a bang!!

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