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     kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 1773 Registered: 05-2005 |
On the back of Amy Winehouse's drug problems that were reported last week, and that talentless no mark Pete Doherty's now almost weekly arrest, comes news that actor Owen Wilson has tried to commit suicide. Without being unsympathetic, or patronising, how come this new breed seem pathetic compared to guys like Keef, Bowie and Iggy? I suppose the latter didnt have the tabloids in their face 24/7, but it almost feels like this new breed havent got the stomach for the excess booze and drugs that they want to wear like a badge of fame. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,2946 67,00.html | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 1746 Registered: 05-2005 |
Mind you Kev there's more toxic chemicals in booze and ciggies nowadays, its carciogenic city man!! | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 2206 Registered: 03-2006 |
The Owen Wilson thing seemed pretty shocking - good looking (okay, he's got that funky nose, but...), talented, could probably have any woman in Hollywood (except, apparently, Kate Hudson), rich... Also, shocking was the revelation that Mother Teresa had an ongoing crisis of faith for many years. I just don't wanna hear that kind of stuff...leave me my illusions...next they'll be telling us Grant fathered Britney's love child... I think people like Iggy, Keef, and to a lesser extent, Bowie, are made of sterner stuff, freaks of nature. Look at Richards, for instance - he fell out of f-in' coconut tree and landed on his noggin - and laughed about it. Seriously - how many people could survive that? And, it looks like his career is going to survive "Pirates of the Caribbean"... | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 1747 Registered: 05-2005 |
LK, nicely put. I think tis is a Kev thing about the lack of maverick's meself, regardless of the wimp. I must say, Owen Wilson, means diddly squat in my world, I can't see the attraction, he's about as funny as an orphanage on fire. | ||
| joe Member Username: Dogmansuede Post Number: 274 Registered: 07-2006 |
hah. brilliant. i find it interesting....in years gone by certain cold hard facts about the world seemed to be learned much earlier on, around the age of 17 or something....you soon come to accept them and move on. it now seems like people (much to the contrary of popular opinion) remain in youthful/invincible/naivety for much longer and have a much harder time swallowing it when reality finally hits home. sorry...that was as poorly thought out as it was worded - it's not quite nine am - it just seems to be a recurring issue with people surrounding me at the moment. and don't even get me going on teresa....about as useful for the cause of self-determination as stalin. | ||
| Allen Belz Member Username: Abpositive Post Number: 634 Registered: 09-2006 |
joe, on one level I hear what you're saying, and I don't think it's poorly thought out, it's an honest reaction. On another, it seems the older I get the more the line about not judging another person until you walk in their shoes (or, more to the point, their soul) rings true to me. I think some folks resist the hard facts of life for the reasons you describe, but there are others that are born with less in the way of strength, be it spiritual, brain-chemical-wise, or whatever. There are times when Denis Leary's line "Life sucks, get a helmet," makes sense to me, but there are other times when I think, "OK Denis, you tell that to some kid starving in Africa." And there's also the other factor...the minute you begin putting armor and mask on to face the world that armor begins blending with you, and it can often be hard to keep that mask from becoming who you truly are...but I should stop now, because I've had a bit too much to drink and it's beginning to feel like babble... | ||
| joe Member Username: Dogmansuede Post Number: 275 Registered: 07-2006 |
i'm with you allen....it's thinking about the african kid that gets to me, comparing plights anyway. in spite of my being a perpetually lovesick young man, but at no point would i consider it anything more than a feeling one could expect (might be fortunate enough?) to deal with. ie. you know people that are just volatile? (crazed is the term i usually prefer) friends...family...etc you can't broach certain subjects with them, leave alone offer anything in the way of criticism in fear of them just falling apart? they're the type that get a rise out of me. they know the power their potential fury has (gday dad!), but yet we somehow end up pitying them for it. they have lower thresholds, that sort of thing. certain people i knowi have been consoling for years as to why things keep "ending up" the way they do for them. you'd be amazed some of the reactions i have (and haven't!) got. at some stage, i'm just like are you kidding me with this shit. i love therapy and i'm only too familiar with the scale of damage caused by the likes of anxiety and depression, my frustrations lie moreso with the helmet-crowd =) | ||
| Allen Belz Member Username: Abpositive Post Number: 635 Registered: 09-2006 |
I definitely know the type you mean joe... My dad was somewhat similar, though with him it was far less that he used his hair-trigger temper to manipulate (consciously, anyway) but more that he considered it his prerogative to fly off the handle over anything, and since this was a time when such behavior was still considered quite normal, his thought was that we belonged to him, so we had no real say in his behavior. Almost thirty years after getting into a fistfight with him and leaving home our relationship is still only surface-cordial. Which is a long way of saying that I hear what you're saying about sometimes feeling like the type gets let off the hook. And then I start actually trying/wanting to understand the f-ing old man again, and the waters muddy once again.  | ||
| joe Member Username: Dogmansuede Post Number: 276 Registered: 07-2006 |
yeah i was being generous (i'm not as awful as i sound, really)...it's very possible we have the same father. by getting let off the hook i suppose i moreso mean remaining unaddressed, and likely to cause others the same grief. my dad started treating me like a fellow person when i called him a c*nt and told him to get out of my house a few years ago. he's still a right prick to just about everyone else though and is likely to die that way....and sooner rather than later given the state of his health. nb. i am so impressed we were able to seemlessly veer from own wilson to inadequate father comparisons! | ||
| Allen Belz Member Username: Abpositive Post Number: 636 Registered: 09-2006 |
Well, there is a slight connecting thread there...and hey this is the Go-Bees board: it is large, it contains multitudes... | ||
| Randy Adams Member Username: Randy_adams Post Number: 1347 Registered: 03-2005 |
This turned interesting. I use my father as a standard to avoid. Joe, I whipsaw between thinking of my father as a comprehensive human failure and despairing because, well, I'm SO MUCH his son. I think the latter phase is my version of Allen's lesson about walking in another person's shoes. If I understand the helmet thing rightly, that was my gear throughout my 20s and 30s. I've been trying to dissolve it ever since. As Dylan says "I was so much older then. I'm younger than that now." | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 1779 Registered: 05-2005 |
Whoa, this is getting a bit deep for me Certainly deeper than those airheads I posted about at the top. On a humanitarian note I hope they survive all the crap they have got themselves into, but I have a nagging feeling that they are walking corpses, especially Winehouse. | ||
| frank bascombe Member Username: Frankb Post Number: 153 Registered: 01-2007 |
Or to quote Dylan again "either I'm too sensitive or else I'm going soft" | ||
| Jerry Clark Member Username: Jerry Post Number: 703 Registered: 08-2004 |
A lot of those in the glossy mags today use a stint at the Priory as a career move. All publicity is publicity as far as the agents are concerned. Those with real mental health problems & addiction issues won't even open up to themselves, let alone expose their frailties in a "tell-all" centrespread. The celebs of today can't wait to be infamous or tragic, there's too much competition to let things fester while attention shifts onto pastures new. | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 2210 Registered: 03-2006 |
Speaking of Denis Leary, it reminds me of his great bit about using rehab as a career move, how all the wanna be stars use it as a vehicle to get on the cover of People magazine, flashing a grin with thumb up, saying, "I f-ed up, but I'm better now!"... Rehab has pretty much become a cliche, hasn't it? There was Amy Winehouse's great song about it and I couldn't help but be amused to hear that the hot, exclusive pool party in Vegas right now is called "Rehab". | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 1698 Registered: 05-2005 |
Kevin, Owen Wilson does mean something in my world and I was very shocked at that news. I think he's a very talented comic actor (I really mean that in case anyone thinks I'm kidding). I hope he recovers his equillibrium and has enough sense to get away from that lifestyle until he sorts his life out. As for the other two; no surprises there. Neither mean diddly to me artistically, but I hope they too can move on from their troubles. Doherty seems to almost want to "join that stupid club" though. Poor, deluded, talent-free fool. | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 1783 Registered: 05-2005 |
Padraig, it was in the paper today that Courtney Love has claimed that Steve Coogan was leading Owen Wilson astray on the narcotics front - allegedly. Coogans people are talking about taking legal action against Love. As regards his work, I think he's ok. Royal Tennenbaums was great, and I saw You, Me and Dupree recently, it was ok I suppose, some laugh out loud moments. Havent watched Starskey and Hutch, presume it was mince! | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 1702 Registered: 05-2005 |
Starskey and Hutch was hilarious Kevin! I hope Coogan does sue Love. She's as talented as Doherty. | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 1703 Registered: 05-2005 |
Now tell us about last night! | ||
| joe Member Username: Dogmansuede Post Number: 282 Registered: 07-2006 |
doherty's a poor (boring) man's richey edwards. courtney, meanwhile, is a bona fide champion! |