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Svein Inge Saether
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Username: Springrain

Post Number: 20
Registered: 08-2006
Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 09:48 pm:   

Wasn't able to post in the archived thread about this from early 2005, but here is the Blondie cover with Robert and Lisa Miller:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzvC0Bgu3 ZM&feature=related
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Stuart Wilson
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Post Number: 115
Registered: 10-2006
Posted on Friday, November 16, 2007 - 10:53 am:   

Ye gods, a worse song for our Bob to cover you could hardly wish for. Nice jacket though.
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spence
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Username: Spence

Post Number: 1929
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2007 - 07:45 pm:   

Yes nice jacket, just fell asleep to it.

this is better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eANjnJC9j qE&feature=related
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Randy Adams
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Username: Randy_adams

Post Number: 1436
Registered: 03-2005
Posted on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 03:55 pm:   

Wow. I forgot how great Birthday Party were. And I've never seen a clip. Great theater!
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Michael Bachman
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Username: Michael_bachman

Post Number: 913
Registered: 01-2005
Posted on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 05:27 pm:   

Randy, I have zippo by The Birthday Party. Should I start with Big Jesus?
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Jerry Clark
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Username: Jerry

Post Number: 737
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 07:07 pm:   

Who'd have thought Nick would turn out so nice. They had a brilliant sound. Didn't they?
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Jeff Whiteaker
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Post Number: 837
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 07:54 pm:   

I have an old VHS tape of two Bday Party shows, one pre-Calvert's departure, one post, with Mick on drums. Both are great, though I haven't watched 'em in years. Lots of pelvic thrusting and big hair. I was always most interested in watching Rowland Howard's frantic guitar playing; all that mad strumming interspersed with feedback screeching, all done on his uber-awesome Jag. Very cool. I kind of idolized Rowland S. Howard in high school.

Michael - Junkyard is probably their most consistent album, but Prayers on Fire might be my personal fav. I should pull that out, I really haven't even thought about my Bday party albums in years. The two EPs, The Bad Seed and Mutiny, are quite stellar too, as is the 4ad EP compilation with the profile of Nick's head on the cover.
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Randy Adams
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Post Number: 1440
Registered: 03-2005
Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 04:10 pm:   

Michael, on 80s releases follow Jeff's recommendations.
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Jeff Whiteaker
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Username: Jeff_whiteaker

Post Number: 840
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 04:50 pm:   

I pulled out my Bday Party records last night. Junkyard doesn't captivate me quite the way it did as a teenager, but it's still good for a visceral thrill. Prayers holds up a bit better for me, but is more eclectic, perhaps a bit less focused overall. Mutiny and the Bad Seed could arguably be the band's strongest, most "mature" and focused releases. I think there's a CD that compiles those two.

And now that we've completely derailed/hi-jacked the thread...
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spence
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Username: Spence

Post Number: 1935
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 06:46 pm:   

Birthday Party man, full on, no bullshit, honest garage punk.
I also loved the slightly smoother Moodists too.

Jeff, nice Jag spot eh!? Howard and Bargeld, in a room, together with pre CBS Jags, Twin Reverb amps (hold the thought!)

I always loved the name Tracy pew. Real shame he died so young, good that his name lives on well.
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Jeff Whiteaker
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Post Number: 843
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 11:36 pm:   

Spence, Howard's Jag was kind of what inspired me to get the similar Jazzmaster. I think I preferred the look of the Jazz's fat soap bar pick-ups, at the time, so I went with that. I always loved how Bargeld used to play that aqua Mustang, too.

The first Birthday Party album ain't bad either, they just hadn't totally "found" themselves yet. Haven't heard the Boys Next Door stuff, though.
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spence
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Username: Spence

Post Number: 1938
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 09:53 am:   

I love looking back, the way 4AD had this rough/smooth aesthetic going on.
I mean on one hand you had the Birthday Party, thrashing out their garage punk, and Wolfgang press etc, then you had the softness of Dead Can Dance and The Cocteaus. All to name but a few of the diversity, yet unique roster of that label in the early 80's.

Oh, who could forget The Man on your street. Sold 50 copies!
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Jeff Whiteaker
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Post Number: 845
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 03:05 pm:   

Yeah, I think some people tend to look at 4AD as having been dominated by the soft Cocteaus, DCD, Dif Juz stuff, whereas like you said, Spence, 4AD was actually quite diverse back then. I think it took a few years for the softer, ethereal aesthetic to fully develop, too.

I love the Man on your Street record - and it sounded like nothing else on 4AD. Spence, you're the only one I know who ever mentions it. And somehow one of those 50 copies found its way to me!
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Matsrep
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Post Number: 45
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 03:56 pm:   

Another one of the Man on your Street LP:s found me (or was it the other way around?). I also have the 7" and the (proto)LTM cassette.

There were maybe 50 fans then?
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spence
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Username: Spence

Post Number: 1939
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 05:30 pm:   

Matsrep, glad tind another one of the few! you know the lTM cassette, its the demo releasedafter the '82 album, do you have the booklet? I nver managed to get that. I'd happily pay something for a copy if you do have it.
Cheers, Spence.
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Matsrep
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Post Number: 46
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Thursday, November 22, 2007 - 01:27 pm:   

Spence, the booklet was (long?) gone when I bought the cassette, too. I guess this was in the middle of the 80s... If neither of us never saw it, I wonder how many booklets there were? (Less than 50 for sure?)
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Michael Bachman
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Post Number: 916
Registered: 01-2005
Posted on Thursday, November 22, 2007 - 03:51 pm:   

A couple of others to add to the rough/smooth diversity of 4AD:

The Throwing Muses debut album from 1986 was on 4AD. Rough

This Mortal Coil. Smooth

Ultra Vivid Scene. Rough and Smooth
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spence
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Username: Spence

Post Number: 1941
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Friday, November 23, 2007 - 11:15 am:   

Matsrep
Cheers. At that time I used to write to James nice who ran the label. He had sold out and sent me a copy on a TDK (ahhhh! there's a great old tape brand eh!?)
I think my copy was bought from him in '85 as you say. the demoes were much better than the album. i always loved the song march in Turin. I got to know nick Currie (Momus) during this time and he used to speak fondly of the Happy Family. It was so shortlived though, only hardcore Postacard and the like would buy/follow their stuff.
The remnants from HF became heyday, they wer great. I worked briefly with Stephen Harrison from them this year. he's a real singer, much more than momus.

Michael, like the rough/smooth thing.
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Jerry Clark
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Username: Jerry

Post Number: 749
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Friday, November 23, 2007 - 12:56 pm:   

http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Cau ldron/9186/bdp1.gif

This piccy was given to a music venue for a Birthday Party gig poster & caused the gig to be cancelled. That's punk rock for ya.
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Jeff Whiteaker
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Username: Jeff_whiteaker

Post Number: 848
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 05:40 pm:   

I've never heard the Happy Family demos. I wonder if LTM will ever reissue 'em.
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spence
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Username: Spence

Post Number: 1952
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 09:26 pm:   

I asked, they said NO CHANCE! James fell out with Momus big time, so o no can do.
I have em somewhere jeff, will send em over with Daintees 12''
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Jeff Whiteaker
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Username: Jeff_whiteaker

Post Number: 850
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 09:56 pm:   

Awesome, Spence - thanks so much!

That's too bad about Momus and James Nice falling out, given that what sounds like a good recording will forever be kept under wraps.

By the way, Spence, I'm mailing out your Concubines CD tomorrow - I had a snafu with the cover art which delayed things by a week.
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Matsrep
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Username: Matsrep

Post Number: 47
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 12:02 pm:   

Spence, my tape is also a tdk. - Maybe Momus will place the ltm demo tape on his blog? (You'll never know.) James Nice has always been very friendly in his corrspondance - both in 1985ish and nowadays.

The link to Go-Betweens can be established this way, by the way. Which (original) Postcard artist have played in all Postcard bands but one - and that is a band which sadly lost a guitar player?

Yes, the answer is guitar player Malcolm Ross: Josef K, Orange Juice, Aztec Camera. Also with The Happy Family, The Moodists, Dave Graney's Coral Snakes, Nectarine No 9, etc. and a fine solo artist (half his first album has Robert Vickers on bass).

BruegelPie told me mr Ross opened for Robert Forster sometime somewhere.
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Jeff Whiteaker
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Post Number: 856
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 12:51 am:   

speaking of orange juice, i *finally* got to see that bizarre "dada with juice" live video, as someone kindly posted it in sections on youtube. that part where edwyn plays that blistering lead melody in "salmon fishing in NY" on that fender electric 12 string is pure, unparalleled awesomeness.
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Andrew Kerr
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Post Number: 314
Registered: 04-2005
Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 11:21 am:   

Jeff,

I think that Edwyn perhaps thought that particular song was 'pure, unparalleled awesomeness' as well! The first time I saw him play it in Glasgow ('84) it was so good he played it twice. There is a great radio session version over at http://dusty7s.blogspot.com/search?q=ora nge+juice (ditch that a
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Andrew Kerr
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Post Number: 315
Registered: 04-2005
Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 11:22 am:   

Ooops...for the link above ditch that space between 'ora' and 'nge'.
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Catherine Vaughan
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Username: Catherine

Post Number: 369
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 12:02 pm:   

I picked up a copy of Dada With Juice for about €2 some years back. Haven't watched it in years, and have been planning to transfer it (and about 100 others!) to dvd...There's two hours of my weekend sorted!
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spence
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Post Number: 1964
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Saturday, December 01, 2007 - 08:11 pm:   

I really hated the DADA with OJ, I dunno, I think its cause I loved the Malc Ross, Mclymnont manyoka line up so much. An the third OJ album proper with Zeke and Ed on I was pretty bored with. i thought the guitar sounds wer effin terrible and Johnny Brittan looked cool, but it didn't float my boat. the original show on the TV had a lovely interview with Ed and Grace his wife which they omitted from the Vid.
Salmon the song is fantatic, I also loved What presence, that was a classic tune, his ltruly last great tune inmy humble one. I still love the man, Christ, he shaped my life to a certain extent.
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Gee
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Post Number: 9
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Monday, December 03, 2007 - 10:16 am:   

Last great tune?! I think you need to reassess the great man's solo canon Spence:

Don't Shilly Shally
50 Shades of Blue
Let Me Put My Arms Around You
Hope and Despair
Make Me Feel Again
Low Expectations
and yes, A Girl Like You
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spence
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Username: Spence

Post Number: 1966
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Monday, December 03, 2007 - 12:06 pm:   

That's exactly what I mean gee!! None of the above float my boat mate.
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Gee
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Username: Gee

Post Number: 10
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Monday, December 03, 2007 - 12:38 pm:   

If Don't Shilly Shally doesn't raise your pulse, you mustn't have one! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3oS082HqfV E

A rare lapse in your taste Spence, but a lapse nontheless.
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spence
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Username: Spence

Post Number: 1967
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Monday, December 03, 2007 - 04:15 pm:   

Gee it raised a pulse 20 years ago, I saw him live eeverywhere, and EC has alwyas had my support man, but playing it nowadays does zero for me, I dunno why, I love the man, but that's the way it is. Also, my musical choices have moved on quite considerably, as it tends to with age.

As i say, the man is a God in my book, but don't mean I have tolike everything, each to their own I suppose...

I could actually play a BMX Bandits song from then and like it more... starnge I know...

Pleased you still lovin it.
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Gee
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Post Number: 11
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Wednesday, December 05, 2007 - 01:48 pm:   

Amen to that (except the BMX Bandits!)
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Jeff Whiteaker
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Username: Jeff_whiteaker

Post Number: 873
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Wednesday, December 05, 2007 - 04:55 pm:   

I'd agree with Spence. Edwyn Collins has clearly done some wonderful things, but I can't really get into most of his solo work. I dig the first album, but except for the odd song or two, the bulk of his solo output just doesn't do it for me.
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spence
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Username: Spence

Post Number: 1977
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Thursday, December 06, 2007 - 10:37 am:   

that video is great, ho looks so cool. no one looked as cool as ec. save for paul quinn
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Randy Adams
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Post Number: 1471
Registered: 03-2005
Posted on Saturday, December 15, 2007 - 04:41 pm:   

He looks like Eden Kane.

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