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Ewan Talisker McEwan
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Post Number: 327
Registered: 02-2008
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 05:16 am:   

Has this been done before here? Favoritest song by the Smiths? Mine's "Ask". I love the line about writing poetry to the bucktoothed girl in Luxembourg. Very tragicomic.
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Allen Belz
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Post Number: 1151
Registered: 09-2006
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 06:52 am:   

There is a Light That Never Goes Out, maybe.
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joe
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Post Number: 482
Registered: 07-2006
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 06:55 am:   

shoplifters!

if absolutely pushed. asleep, that joke isn't funny anymore, paint a vulgar picture and i know it's over are all contenders.
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Allen Belz
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Post Number: 1152
Registered: 09-2006
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 06:56 am:   

Every Day is Like Sunday is my favorite solo toon.
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frank bascombe
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Post Number: 354
Registered: 01-2007
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 09:07 am:   

There is a Light
Back to the Old House
Please Please
Reel Around the Fountain
This Charming Man
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Pádraig Collins
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Post Number: 2274
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 11:11 am:   

How Soon Is Now?
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Pat Boland
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Post Number: 50
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 11:12 am:   

There is a light that never goes out
Death of a Disco Dancer
Headmaster Ritual
Cemetry Gates
What Difference Does It Make?
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Stuart Wilson
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Post Number: 225
Registered: 10-2006
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 11:27 am:   

I might have to go with cemetry gates...so few songs have made me burst out laughing like that one did the first time I heard it, and in general Moz's lyrics capture a whole swathe of English life that no-one else has ever managed to portray so well in the pop world; Come back to Camden is another one I love. For all his faults, a genuinely unique talent.
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Pádraig Collins
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Post Number: 2275
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 11:29 am:   

Just discovered there is yet another Smiths comp coming out on October 8, called Hang The DJ. There are some unreleased tracks on it, including Jeanne.
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Pat Boland
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Post Number: 51
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 12:04 pm:   

Not a fan of the title. Can't really argue with the track selection. Well, I could but ...

CD1

1. Hand In Glove (2008 Remastered Version)
2. This Charming Man (2008 Remastered Version)
3. What Difference Does It Make? (2008 Remastered Version)
4. Still Ill (2008 Remastered Version)
5. Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now (2008 Remastered
Version)
6. William, It Was Really Nothing (2008 Remastered
Version)
7. How Soon Is Now (2008 Remastered Version)
8. I Want the One I Can't Have (2008 Remastered Version)
9. Shakespeare's Sister (2008 Remastered Version)
10. Barbarism Begins At Home (7" 2008 Remastered Version)
11. That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore (2008 Remastered
Version)
12. The Headmaster Ritual (2008 Remastered Version)
13. The Boy With The Thorn In His Side (2008 Remastered Version)
14. Bigmouth Strikes Again (2008 Remastered Version)
15. There Is A Light That Never Goes Out (2008 Remastered Version)
16. Panic (2008 Remastered Version)
17. Ask (2008 Remastered Version)
18. You Just Haven't Earned It Yet Baby (2008 Remastered Version)
19. Shoplifters Of The World Unite (2008 Remastered Version)
20. Sheila Take A Bow (2008 Remastered Version)
21. Girlfriend In A Coma (2008 Remastered Version)
22. I Started Something I Couldn't Finish (2008 Remastered Version)
23. Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me (2008 Remastered Version)

CD2

1. Jeane (2008 Remastered Version)
2. Handsome Devil (Live at Manchester Hacienda 4/2/83)
(2008 Remastered Version)
3. This Charming Man (New York Vocal) (2008 Remastered Version)
4. Wonderful Woman (2008 Remastered Version)
5. Back To The Old House (2008 Remastered Version)
6. These Things Take Time (2008 Remastered Version)
7. Girl Afraid (2008 Remastered Version)
8. Please, Please, Please Let Me Get What I Want (2008 Remastered Version)
9. Stretch Out And Wait (2008 Remastered Version)
10. Oscillate Wildly (Instrumental) (2008 Remastered Version)
11. Meat Is Murder (Live at Oxford Apollo 18/3/85) (2008 Remastered Version)
12. Asleep (2008 Remastered Version)
13. Money Changes Everything (2008 Remastered Version)
14. The Queen Is Dead (2008 Remastered Version)
15. Vicar In A Tutu (2008 Remastered Version)
16. Cemetery Gates (2008 Remastered Version)
17. Half A Person (2008 Remastered Version)
18. Sweet And Tender Hooligan (2008 Remastered Version)
19. I Keep Mine Hidden (2008 Remastered Version)
20. Pretty Girls Make Graves [Troy Tate Version] (2008 Remastered Version)
21. Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before (2008 Remastered Version)
22. What's The World? (Recorded Live in 1985)
23. London (Live at National Ballroom, Kilburn, London 23/10/86) (2008 Remastered Version)
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Pádraig Collins
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Post Number: 2284
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 12:52 pm:   

Weren't the tracks on The Very Best of The Smiths remastered? I wonder what the difference between the 2001 remaster and the 2008 remaster is?
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Pat Boland
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Post Number: 52
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 03:26 pm:   

If memory serves, John Dent was responsible for the remastering on the 2001 release.

To my ears, there was no discernable sonic improvement on that CD.

On the basis that Bill Inglot's remastering, on Tallulah at least, was leagues ahead of John Dent's efforts 8 years previously, it's probably safe to assume that there is some scope for improvement with this reissue.
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Jeff Whiteaker
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Post Number: 1358
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 04:53 pm:   

I can only narrow it down to 6:

A Rush and a Push and the Land is Ours
Headmaster Ritual
William it Was Really Nothing
Shoplifters
Half a Person
This Night Has Opened My Eyes
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Michael Bachman
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Post Number: 1248
Registered: 01-2005
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 05:17 pm:   

I am not a Smiths fanatic, having only The Smiths and Rank on cd, so I am not an expert on them by a long stretch. I might pick up the new collection though!

Favorite cuts:
1. The Boy With The Thorn In His Side - from Rank.
Rock on Mr. Marr!
2. There is a Light That Never Goes out.
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Rob Brookman
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Post Number: 1215
Registered: 08-2006
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 05:22 pm:   

No one for "Bigmouth Strikes Again" or "Hand in Glove"? I've always loved those songs. But looking at the track list for the new best-of I realize picking an ultimate favorite is an act of futility, at least for me.
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Jeff Whiteaker
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Post Number: 1359
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 05:49 pm:   

Rob, it *is* futile. The songs you (and everyone else) mention are absolutely brilliant. "Hand in Glove" in particular, is a strong favorite of mine. I love how kind of moody and understated it is, especially given that it was their very first single.
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Mark Leydon
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Post Number: 184
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 11:32 pm:   

This Charming Man - Moz and Marr both at the peak of their powers on this one. Just don't try dancing to it(unless you enjoy looking like a dancin' fool!).
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Allen Belz
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Post Number: 1153
Registered: 09-2006
Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 02:39 am:   

Rob, I'm a big fan of Bigmouth...and what's the one that goes "I booked myself in at the
Y...WCA."? It's probably mentioned above, but the title isn't coming to me.
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joe
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Post Number: 483
Registered: 07-2006
Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 03:17 am:   

pat...i love headmaster too. one of the best opening lines ever.

the line about meeting me down the alley by the railway station still gets me a bit hot under the collar too.

i know it can be a tender point (no pun intended, well....), but i love the title track on MIM too. not that i've listened to it in a while, but the whole "do you know how animals die?" thing still leaves a lump in my throat.
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Jeff Whiteaker
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Post Number: 1360
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 05:54 am:   

Allen - the "booked myself in at the Y..." song is Half a Person.
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Geoff Holmes
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Post Number: 395
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 09:28 am:   

Oh, alright. Here we go again....

William, it was really nothing
That joke isn't funny anymore
This charming man
How soon is now?
Please Please please let me get what I want
Well I wonder
Still Ill (Hatful version)
etc etc etc

It must be asked after such brilliance...
Johnny Marr - where did it all go wrong????????

And ANOTHER greatest hits of the Smiths??

"Reissue, repackage, repackage, re evaluate the songs, double pack, extra photograph, an extra track and a tacky badge"
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Pádraig Collins
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Post Number: 2289
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 09:52 am:   

That joke isn't funny anymore Geoff.
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Paul B.
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Post Number: 44
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 11:35 am:   

Nothing in the new ‘Best Of’ that makes me sit up and take notice, although I’m keen to listen to the remastering, and I’d probably buy it on that fact alone.

Marr has been rabbiting on about the long fabled ‘Box Set’ for a number of years now, even going a far as mentioning individual tracks to be included during press for the 20th anniversary articles on ‘The Queen Is Dead’.

I’m hoping that this ‘Best Of’ if paving the way for the entire albums to be re-released, perhaps with b-sides added.

I cant recommend enough the book ‘The Smiths: Songs That Saved Your Life’ by Simon Goddard. The book ploughs through every song in The Smiths catalogue, including some unreleased cuts and demos.

If you get a chase go for the 2nd edition, as Wiki says: “A second revised and expanded edition was published two years later in June 2004. This time, guitarist and co-writer Johnny Marr agreed to collaborate with Goddard. Marr's contributions necessitated a comprehensive re-write of the original. It is this second edit of the book which is now considered the definitive text.”

Spends some time on the net’ sourcing some of the rarer bootleg recordings (Troy Tate Demos, The Italian 12" of "How Soon Is Now?’ Etc..) and program your ipod as you read the book. I couldn’t think of a better way to spend a rainy weekend.

Anyone else mentioning ‘Paint a Vulgar Picture’ will be made to stand outside.
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Charles Coy
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Post Number: 95
Registered: 10-2006
Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 01:39 pm:   

Girl Friend in a Coma
Love the start of Everyday is like Sunday on who put the 'M'in Manchester DVD 'I can never understand, why I've been tortured, condemned and ...?, I'm telling you it isn't easy...Trudging slowly over wetsand...'
There is a Light
The Boy with the Thorn in his Side'
..just love 'Hector, in the First of the Gang'
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Allen Belz
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Post Number: 1154
Registered: 09-2006
Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 05:22 pm:   

Ah, thank you Jeff.
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Rob Brookman
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Post Number: 1216
Registered: 08-2006
Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 07:04 pm:   

I love the way he sings "Do you have a vacancy/for a back scrubbah" in that song, Allen. At least, that's what I always thought he was singing...
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Allen Belz
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Post Number: 1156
Registered: 09-2006
Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 07:35 pm:   

That's what it sounds like to me too. And venturing such a question at the YWCA...cheeky devil.
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Geoff Holmes
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Post Number: 397
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 10:15 am:   

Touche Padraig!
BUT, it's like the Sex Pistols calling their last tour "Filthy Lucre" - a bit too much of rubbing your face in it for me!
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Geoff Holmes
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Post Number: 398
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 10:20 am:   

Is the new greatest hits going to be called "Paint a Vulgar Picture"???
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Ewan Talisker McEwan
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Post Number: 337
Registered: 02-2008
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 04:42 pm:   

That comp sounds tremendous. Why, I think I'll be having that one. Despite enjoying the hell outta them, my collection is pretty light - I just have "Louder Than Bombs".

Also, I might have to change my alltime fave to "There Is a Light That Never Goes Out". It's kinda their magnum opus and has everything that's great about them in it.

My favorite solo song is "Suedehead", with "Sunday" bubbling just a notch under it....
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C Gull
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Post Number: 102
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 08:10 pm:   

Bigmouth Strikes Again for me, closely folowed by This Charming Man (just the memories of hearing it the first tiem and thinking it nwas extraordinary), Girl Afraid and The Hand That Rocks the Cradle but loads of other greats.
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Stuart Wilson
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Post Number: 226
Registered: 10-2006
Posted on Friday, September 05, 2008 - 11:47 am:   

Ah yes, hearing the Smiths for the first time...actually, probably not, because I think I heard them on Peel on my wee transistor radio and wasn't too impressed, sort of monotone dolefulness I thought, but then one Saturday night at 2am in some sort of Edinburgh disco pub William it was really nothing came reeling at full volume out of the speakers... Who IS that?? I yelled, who ARE they?? Let's DANCE!! (And I NEVER danced). And, if it really was about fellow Dundonian Billy McKenzie (I sat beside wee quiet Alan Rankine in Modern Studies for a while), a perfectly karmic moment.
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C Gull
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Post Number: 103
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Friday, September 05, 2008 - 07:26 pm:   

I think Reel Around the Fountaon was the first time I heard them on the Peel Session - then listened to many more times on a C60 cassette (remember those?!)
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Geoff Holmes
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Post Number: 399
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Saturday, September 06, 2008 - 05:48 am:   

I remember the first time I heard the Smiths coz it was when I was learning how to be a D.J. at the Uni radio station. It wasn't going out to the public, so I could select all the coolest latest stuff that they had. I had read the odd little snippet about them in 3 month old NME's and just somehow you got the feeling they were going to be BIG or IMPORTANT. I don't think I'd read any rave reviews then. As soon as Marr blasted out that cheeky, sassy guitar bit at the start of the song, I was hooked!
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Pádraig Collins
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Post Number: 2296
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Saturday, September 06, 2008 - 06:35 am:   

I still use C60s C Gull, to tape interviews with. I also taped the Grant McLennan / GO-Betweens tribute night from Triple J radio.

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