| Author | Message | ||
     Mark Ilsley |
The quality and quantity of the postings at this site has improved so greatly since the arrival of several new contributors that even I feel humbled into doing more reading than writing(shoosh, Jerry). | ||
| hsf |
Really, thanks for enlightening me Mark because before I read your post I was of the opinion that this mailboard was going down the toilet. I thought the 'new contributors' were monopololising the board with all sorts of tripe. But I guess I have to admit to being indebted to you for setting the record straight for me, thanks again. | ||
| Mark Ilsley |
Why so bitter? | ||
| Pete Azzopardi |
I'm sure hsf is taking a dig at people like me. It's funny, I also recently joined the Tallulah mailing list and one of the emails I got refered to how cluttered this chat room was getting. One person who replied said how he didn't see how we could have that much to say about the Go-Bs. Well, it's a "chat" room isn't it? I think it's a good chat room for all who contribute, while obviously great lovers of the band, are also critical thinkers who have broad tastes in music and discuss it here. It's occassionally good for information on the band but more importantly we share our feelings on the music and if we give a bit of ourselves in the process, veering off the topic, then it's all the more interesting. The Go-Bs are a personal, approachable band, and so are (most of) their fans. | ||
| Mark Ilsley |
Probably not, Pete. Your posts are a breath of fresh air and a joy to read. I'm sure many of the regulars (including one or two past band members, btw) are enjoying reading your contributions as much as I am. There's quite a few new contributors come on board lately (since last X-mass) and generally the standard of postings has gone through the roof. So much so, that I sometimes don't feel capable of making worthy contibutions to the discussions. But I do enjoy reading new perspectives and opinions, when they are well written and carefully thought out. Which brings me to Mr fsh. I haven't been here for 12 months but if it wasn't for the occasional emergence of new personalities then this place would quickly become very stale. At the moment we are blessed by having several quality contributors come on-line at roughly the same time. I wanted to acknowledge this fact and give them some recognition. Your accusation of monopolisation just does not hold water. It is perfectly normal behaviour for new contibutors to have pleanty to say. It's called enthusiasm. Quite patently their enthusiasm does not amount to any attempt to monopolize the board and I can't convince myself that you actually believe your own accusation. So, it is sarcasm that was your device and me that appears to be your target. So tell me, what was your motivation? | ||
| Gareth |
Pete & Mark and all other contributors, I think this site is becoming a real joy to visit with well written and enjoyable postings pretty much every day. I recall some of hsf/fsh's postings from last year and a lot were along the lines of the one above - they always stuck out like a sore thumb on the message board. With regards to this site he's the human equivalent of 'Cut It Out'. And how can someone 'monopolise' a chat board? People can post whatever they like - there are no restrictions to numbers of postings. If someone takes the time to contribute something then more power to them. It shows they have a passion for something and that's always good to see. Unfortunately your posting says far more about you than it does about the contributors you so obviously dislike. | ||
| Cassiel |
I agree with hsf. New contributors like me are cluttering this board up with interesting, amusing and diverse posts, and not the rambling, pompus inane drivel of which he's so enamoured. I am going to ban myself forthwith. | ||
| jerry |
A little unkind and very unwise! | ||
| hsf |
Witness the reaction of the phallucrats who colonise this board to a contributor who challenges their dominant (male) orthodoxy. | ||
| Jeff Whiteaker |
Pete A. said, "It's funny, I also recently joined the Tallulah mailing list and one of the emails I got refered to how cluttered this chat room was getting. One person who replied said how he didn't see how we could have that much to say about the Go-Bs." I saw that post too! And it was precisely that (and the Tallulah list's complete and utter deadness of the past year) which prompted me to go onto this board about a year ago and clutter it up. I mean, who wants a dead message board that ends up doing very little beyond diseminating basic info. Fucking losers... ;) At any rate, I absolutely love this board since it provides me with hours of titillating distraction from the work piling up at my job. Besides, it has to be one of the most consistently enlightening, fascinating, and enthusiastic band-related message boards I've seen. Most others I've taken part in have activity that verges on non-existent, or else they routinely devolve into poo-poo humor, like the Prefab Sprout board. I mean, somtimes potty humor is necessary, but the Prefab Sprout board is a freaking mess as of late. | ||
| Randy Adams |
Personally I think hsf is having us on. Phallucrats? | ||
| Mark Ilsley |
He's got a line out, fsh[ing] for sure. Phallucrats? Maybe it's a word to describe the skeletal remains of a flatfish. | ||
| Brutus |
What's hsf on (about)? | ||
| hsf |
Est tu Brutus? | ||
| andrew stafford |
Thank heavens. As a new member I was under the impression that everyone on this board was nice to each other - not even a troll in sight! Now I know that's not true, I shall tread more carefully. | ||
| hsf |
Once upon a time in Mail Board Land there was a contributor called Mark who appointed himself arbiter of quality in relation to messages posted to a particular board. He made out that the messages posted by a new crop of contributors far out shone those of their predecessors. He seemed unaware that in the process he had judged and found wanting the contributions of of a great number of previous contributors. The funny thing was that the message board was so busy with traffic on subjects like "my friend gave me a copy of Fireboy in '92, but wasn't it only released in '93," that hardly anybody seemed to notice: except for one person who decided to challenge the authority of the self appointed arbiter. This made the arbiter really mad, so he got his friends to post messages to the thread that heaped derision on the challenger who 'stood out like a sore tumb' amongst all the critical thinkers. Disillusioned, the challenger decided to redirect his limited energies on the lucrative Childrens' books market. Everybody lived happily ever after. | ||
| andrew stafford |
Ooh dear. Didn't you make it into Mojo's Miserable List then? | ||
| Mark Ilsley |
The judgement that I made did not attribute to any person or group sole responsibility for my perception that the quality of the postings had improved. It does assert the timing of the improvement to coincide with the arrival of several new contributors. If you disagree with my perception (of the qualitative improvement in postings) then you are entitled to do so (and in so doing, you make your own judgement). But what I will not allow you to do is twist the qualitative judgement that I did make (and do still make) into an attack on any group, that I did not make. I make judgements every day and I do not feel at all inhibited in expressing them when they are positive. You appear to have an issue with me. I would advise you to stop involving others unless it is your intention to troll this board. | ||
| Cassiel |
I don't know about anyone else, but I won't be rushing out to buy my my son hsf's childrens book. What's the working title? 'Spot the Dog and the Dominant Phallucrats?' | ||
| C Gull |
Is there going to be a riot at the Barbican? Only the other day I was discussing with a friend that there is little violence at gigs these days but maybe fsh and Mark can buck the trend? | ||
| jerry |
I doubt whether hsf gets out much. | ||
| Padraig Collins |
Hey hsf, as the person who started the "my friend gave me a copy of Fireboy in '92, but wasn't it only released in '93," thread I am just thrilled to have given you so much to complain about. | ||
| Jeff Whiteaker |
This board rocks! I'm being completely serious. | ||
| Mark Ilsley |
If it isn't already perfectly obvious to everyone. What can happen is that when quality contributions are made by emerging personalities, it stimulates further quality contributions from those already arrived. People can and do bounce off each other. What I can't believe is that such a simple explaination could be beyond the grasp of fsh. | ||
| hsf |
When is the next sanctimonious installment of wisdom due......zzzZZZZZZZZZzzzzz...I just can't wait. | ||
| Cassiel |
I've been thinking hsf and i reckon it should be Phallocrat, not Phallucrat, if to concentrate on the phallus as a symbol of male dominance is to be phallocentric. Anyway, I'm neither phallucratic nor phallocratic, so you can suck my dick. | ||
| Cichli Suite |
I've just dropped by the message board after being away for a few months: moving house, moving country, moving job etc. As far as I can recall this board has gone through many periods where there have been fascinating threads of conversation, on every subject under the sun. (It's just a pity that Jonathan hasn't archived these). I guess fsh/hsf (who has been posting acerbic comments here for as long as I've been visiting) is pointing out that the current spate of excellent posts hardly needs to be commented upon. Anyway, The 'et tu, Brute' (sorry to correct your Latin) riposte made me laugh out loud which is more than I can say for most of the back slapping that has been going on in this thread. Cichli | ||
| Campo |
Oh Christ Cichli, read properly: "Et tu Brutus" was a response - that's why it was funny. Lati smatin. Agree with the sentiment, though. | ||
| Steve Brackslapper |
Yeah Cichli, leave hsf alone. | ||
| Duncan H |
Maybe we could all wear different colours of flowers in our lapels at the London gig, depending on whether we feel this board rocks, or not. | ||
| Mark Ilsley |
When I offer praise, it is sincere and I do not require anybody's approval to make them. The very strong feeling I get about fsh is that he is conducting a crusade. He calls apon us to "Witness the reaction" (and we do) and identifies himself as "the challenger". What I would like him to do is to clearly state what authority it is that he thinks he is challenging. It appears to be my power to praise people or to make qualitative assesments about the postings. I do both. I have that power. Everybody does. | ||
| jerry |
Are you profiling him, Mark? | ||
| Mark Ilsley |
I'd like to know my enemy but I'm not sure what you mean by profiling. I don't hack or pry. I don't expect it to be easy. He already has several weekness exposed. He isn't sincere. He is also very negative. He may carry a grudge against this board. | ||
| Padraig Collins |
Mark, this is all getting a bit too CSI. You're scaring me. | ||
| Mark Ilsley |
Your kidding me, right Paddy? | ||
| Padraig Collins |
Yes Markie Mark, I'm kidding you. | ||
| Mark Ilsley |
I don't actually like that name, thankyou. | ||
| Pete Azzopardi |
How about Marky Mark and His Funky Bunch? I think you are, after all, quite fatherly in this chat room. | ||
| Mark Ilsley |
Love it. It's all in the tone, you see. | ||
| hsf |
Monday, May 17, 2004: Cassiel wrote: "New contributors like me are cluttering this board up with interesting, amusing and diverse posts, and not the rambling, pompus inane drivel of which he's so enamoured." Monday, May 19, 2004: Cassiel wrote: "I'm neither phallucratic nor phallocratic, so you can suck my dick." I don't know what other contributors of it, but I found this last posting by Cassiel particularly unpalatable and in light of his earlier posting a little hard to swallow. He appears to be an oxy(moron), who unlike me can get away scott free with posting nonsense. I'm also surprised Padraig didn't take exception to being dubbed a 'Paddy'. If you've forgotten your self respect, I'll have it mailed to you at my expense by Swiftpost first thing in the morning. I'm not going to annoy Mark any further in spite of the 'Paddy' remark. I apologise to him for not taking human frailty into account in my previous postings to this thread. That said the appearance of words like "fuck", "shit" etc. on other discussion threads is a disappointing development, particularly in light to the literary wonder that is The Go betweens. | ||
| Padraig Collins |
And I don't like being called Paddy, Mark. So don't. Don't worry about my self respect though hsf, just continue with your pseudonymous contributions. I agree with you about the appearance of intemperate language here though. | ||
| Mark Ilsley |
Padraig. In all seriousness, I asked you months ago if I may call you that (on this very board) and I have been using it ever since. You could have brought this up with me ages ago. If you don't want me to use it, then fine, but please be strait with me, huh? Intemperate language. LOL. | ||
| Mark Ilsley |
Hey fsh, you sir are the most insincere person I have meet in years. You wouldn't lie strait in bed. Rarely have I seen so many twists and turns in an attempt to develop a line of attack with the intention of undoing another. If you had any genuine concen for anybody other than yourself, you would not have made it so difficult for everybody else to understand your concerns and you would not have risked involving so many others by your accusations. | ||
| Padraig Collins |
Mark, I don't remember you asking that, therefore I did not see it. I don't read every thread, every day. Why would you assume from my not answering that you can call me a name I hate? Yeah, I should have said it sooner. By strait do you mean 'not crooked'? That would be straight. I wasn't being not straight with you, I just did not answer a question I did not see - what a persecution complex! Are you Pete's drummer? Ask him how to pronounce my name. (This is all pathetic by the way, this site should only be about our geek-love homage to Grant and Robert). | ||
| Mark Ilsley |
Well, I did, and on the very first occasion that I used it. I also continued to address you accordingly for months but no complaint from you. So perhaps you can understand my incredulity when you ask: Why would I assume? Because it is a perfectly normal assumtion for anybody to make under these circumstances, and you know it. You are not being 'straight' with me when you claim to have harboured a grudge over such a trivial matter for months. What did I do that would make you so reticent? We have already established that you are not scared. | ||
| Cassiel |
Well, I tried to resist sfh, and avoid being dragged down to your level, but, well, I got bored... I like to think the reason no one has complained about the comments above was because they realised I was taking the piss, or wee-wee as you would no doubt wish me to say. You are obviously a very nice man or woman because you like the Go-Betweens; however, on this board you came across as a pompous, long-winded bore bloated by self-regard. You took a precious, rather petulant swipe at people who used this board and claimed, absurdly, that they were ruining it ('going down the toilet' you said, and then accuse people's language of being base. Hmm.) I thought you sounded a bit silly and decided to take the mickey. Since then you've been pretty thin-skinned and taken every opportunity to belittle this board. I have a feeling you're the type who loves to to be 'controversial' on message boards because in the outside world your pronouncements go ignored. Yet you secretly think your opinion means something, don't you, and the world should be hanging on your every word? Well, it's not; only a few Go-Betweens fans on this board care what you reckon and you had to be rude to achieve even that. Sorry everyone else. You're right: the board isn't about this and should not be about this. We should all grow up. But he started it. | ||
| Craig Davis |
Hi Padraig, I can't really follow how I've come up in this thread but if you're interested I'm Pete's drummer (if you mean P Azzopardi) and I've never posted here under any other name than my own. | ||
| Randy Adams |
"geek-love homage to Grant and Robert." I like that. | ||
| Pete Azzopardi |
Hi Craig. They're not refering to you but a drummer I spoke of from high school who had a certain problem - though the problem that people here are inferring I'm not quite sure of. | ||
| Padraig Collins |
Mark, don't be such an aggressive tool and don't ever again assume that anyone wants to be called by a name other than what they post under. Also, grow up and get a life. I left your calling me Paddy alone because I thought you would get over whatever childish urge made you do that but, sadly, you did not. You're not so clever as you obviously think you are. Your idiot aggression has ruined this board for me at the moment. Craig, sorry for confusing you with Mark, clearly there is no similarity. | ||
| Mark Ilsley |
Well, this is getting quite fantastical. Padraig: If you really thought I was Pete's current drummer (or he was me) then "Ask him how to pronounce my name" would be insane. You didn't confuse me with Pete's current drummer or Pete's student drummer from high school. You where attempting to make a comparison of behaviour when you said "Are you Pete's drummer?". The insinuation being that both I and Pete's drummer must have a "persecution complex". I was baffled by this comparison, but whichever drummer you mean is not my concern. I assume blind rage clouded your judgement in making this comparison, for whatever you mean, you would owe three people an appology. You get what you give. You've already had to make one apology to a third party on this thread, it would be nice if you didn't further seek to invlove others. What you intended to do was to make me look foolish. I don't have a persecution complex. I won't seek your permission to use any name when addressing you in future as you now resort to name calling. I have absolutely no regreats about my manners on this issue and I'll continue to make my own arrangements in concert with others about how I address them in EXACTELY the same way I have done so before. The entire premise of your argument, reguarding name calling, has been shown to be misplaced, but you continue to harbour a grudge (that has no basis in fact) as a synthetic justification of your own designs and contunue to provoke me with name calling. I will not inhibit myself any further. Bring it on Paddy. | ||
| jerry |
FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! | ||
| Cichli Suite |
Mark Ilsley, You are a bully and a bore! You've been posting in this board for about 10 months now, and it is quite clear you DO have a persecution complex. You have demonstrated on several occasions that you cannot bear to be disagreed with. Your tantrums on these occasions are appalling. If you are looking for an example of what I am talking about, do you recall your idiot reaction to someone's humourous aside on the subject of bowling. Bowling, for christ sake! As for name calling, mate, are you not the same Mark Isley who addressed a contributor from Germany last year as 'Mein Kampf'? And now you are labelling a contributor from Ireland as 'Paddy'! What a moron you are! You give it out, Mark. But you can not take it. Cichli | ||
| Dusty |
This is a bit like 'Eastenders' - so much angst and hatred. Also, and more peculiarly, people seem to change personality as the argument develops - which makes me suspect that it's all written by the same person. You can call me Dusty-kins if you like. | ||
| Randy Adams |
To borrow the words of a famous Los Angeles philosopher, can't we all get along? | ||
| jerry |
"It takes strength to be gentle and kind" | ||
| Pete Azzopardi |
Jerry, is that Morrissey you're quoting? I no longer like the Smiths or Mozza that much but I am curious to hear what people are saying about the miserable git's new album. Have you got it? | ||
| jerry |
I haven't got the album but I heard most of it on AOL music channel and it's the same old Mozzer. Apparently he's quite happy at the moment. | ||
| Mark Ilsley |
I'm glad you brought this up with me, Cichli. This thread has long since ceased to be about this boards stature and has degenerated into an opportunity for people to air their grevences with each other. 1) Yes, I remember the conversation. (Thankfully, it is archived). But it wasn't about Bowling was it! I even remembered the date, so it was easy to find in the archive. It was just before New Year's Eve, 2003. I made a heartfelt request for the contributors of this board to share their plans for the New Year celebration on a coversation entitled "Merry Xmas & Happy New Year". I said: Jeanie replied directly to me. The immediate implication was that she thought that I was damaging the band's 'image' by shareing my New Year plans with everyone. Well, that is what I actually do on New Year's Eve. Everything in my original post is sincere. I play Lawn Bowls and for more than a generation this town has celebrated New Year's Eve in this fashion. Jeanie's reply was totally inappropriate. She was effectively excluding me from the group on the basis of who I actually am and what I actually do. That hurt me. Worse still was the implication that the reason for the damage to the band's image was what? My age? My sport? My dress? My New Year's activities? Me? What was especially bitter to me was that it was made directly on the back of a post that I made to convey my Xmass greetings. So I replied:
That was not bullying. It was deep hurt and some fear of being excluded from the Xmass cheer. The moment has long since past. 2) I remember making two replies in German: One translated to "I like a bit of German" to a German contibutor who wanted to talk about some German band. Maybe Kraftwerk. The other was a humourous reply to someone, not sure who, that translated as "My Struggle". So what? Life is a struggle. I did not address anyone as "My Struggle" (those small words are so important, arnen't they). It would be bizzare in the extream to get that meaning. Hey, this is fun. Can we do more? | ||
| admin |
This "discussion" will now continue off-board, via private email. Jonathan |