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spence
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Username: Spence

Post Number: 189
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Wednesday, March 08, 2006 - 08:03 pm:   

or write and play music? Would anyone be interested in putting together a GoBetweens tribute, (if tastefully executed?) I'd be happy to contribute a tune/ help out with artwork if anyone ever feels the need. Its always difficult, its almost too sacred, but I feel there's enough songs we could cover to show our respect? I'd be interested whatever the concensus, personally, to hear anyone's music that has a love for the Gobees. Cheers.
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Wilson Davey
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Post Number: 39
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Wednesday, March 08, 2006 - 09:51 pm:   

Wilson Davey & The Love Pastels. I sing and play electro acoustic guitars and have released an LP called "Cinematograph" on Sarah's records.

All the tracks are linked with "found sounds" and dialogue snippets from films and radio plays.

Before that was my velvets-inspired lo-fi band called the The Vibranaires, shortened to "the vibes" by our adoring fans. It was hammond organ heavy and we covered "What goes on" by the velvets and early Go-Bees songs like "It could be anyone" etc.We released a vinyl only LP in 2001 called "Dorothy". It was on sky blue records and was sky blue vinyl.....

Really, I'm Billy Liar.I actually play guitar enthusiatically but quite poorly and all of the above is a daydream I have carried around with me to stop me going mad at work. I have been daydreaming like this since I was 10 Doctor.Way back in 1973, to stop me going mad at school. Different imaginery bands and styles from Glam, to Prog Rock, to Punk & new wave and postcard stuff.
Like Tom sings, Your innocent when you dream, when you dream, your innocent when you dream.

For further info read the bit in Liverpool Explodes by Mark Cooper where Copey, Mac and the others talk about how they had imaginery bands and would talk about their imaginery songs.

We all have our dreams don't we ?

Good luck with your idea
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Jeff Whiteaker
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Post Number: 190
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Wednesday, March 08, 2006 - 09:54 pm:   

as referenced in some other thread, i write/play music. i would definitely be interested in putting together a go-betweens tribute. that would be cool if we could get enough tunes from people on this message board.

i'm also curious just to see who here is a musician. there's got to be at least a few of us.
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Kurt Stephan
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Username: Slothbert

Post Number: 152
Registered: 04-2005
Posted on Wednesday, March 08, 2006 - 09:57 pm:   

I'm not in a band, but my girlfriend and I have worked up a fairly decent acoustic version of "Love Goes On!" (see sings, I play guitar). I would be ashamed to have anyone on this board hear it, but it impresses people who've never heard the original.
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Rob Robinson
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Post Number: 29
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 01:35 am:   

A band I was in a couple decades ago... myspace.com/househearts
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Peter Azzopardi
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Post Number: 147
Registered: 09-2004
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 04:04 am:   

As I've mentioned a few times here now, I play guitar and sing back-up in Melbounre-via-Geelong original country-rock group the Happy Lonesome. Unfortunately, we have no website and no official releases but we are on a compilation of Melbourne bands that came out this week (I think) called "Melbourne Water Volume 2" on W.Minc records. We should have an EP out in limited release sometime during the next month. Quite simply, we're better than 20 per cent of all other Melbourne bands.

My first "real" group was called the Hollows. It was basically myself and a friend of mine who recorded and album of originals at 16. It was ten songs, 50/50 songwriting credits; this was the year (1998) that I discovered the Go-Betweens of course. My songs were very influenced by Before Hollywood, the Smiths and the Pixies, which I all adored at the time. Cassette copies are floating around all over Australia, plus a couple of CD-Rs transfered from second generation cassette (the master's gone missing) but we never played a gig, despite recruiting a couple of friends to rehearse on weekends for a few months and building up quite a set.

Currently, a Geelong group I played keys and glockenspiel in three years ago is reforming purely for the sake of recording a collection of songs. We rehearsed a lot but only played one gig supporting Dom Mariani from the Stems. They are called Windsor Royal and the sound is a universe removed from the Happy Lonesome. Other bands I was in include Beds In Zero Weather, which was the precursor to Windsor Royal but with a slightly different lineup and more gigs (three!), plus a spoken-word group that I wrote the music for and poet Scott Welsh rambled to for all of one gig called the Coughing Deconstructuralists. Is that not the worst name you ever heard of?
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Rob Robinson
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Post Number: 30
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 12:11 pm:   

Coughing Deconstructuralists! Curious, how did that name come about?

Naming a group is probably the most difficult thing a group will ever have to do. Unless it's a "vanity project" with a name selected by the frontman, the naming process can cause members to quit or even cause the group's songwriting progress to bog down for good.
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spence
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Post Number: 193
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 02:10 pm:   

coming along then!.. cool...my group The Winnebago Orchestra would be willing to contribute a newer GB's track Too much of one thing executed on Hammered dulcimers and pedal steel guitars. Anyone else wanna start picking their tracks? Cheers
PS Maybe Wilson you could recite some Forster McLennan in poetic style maybe?
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Randy Adams
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Post Number: 197
Registered: 03-2005
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 04:31 pm:   

No group here. Too antisocial. I write and record at home and build up the arrangements using a 24 track Roland rig. I'm too lazy to learn how to use this device properly so I don't do any digital editing; I work with whole takes for each instrument--very tough considering my error rate.

Totally simple-minded guitarist definitely not on Jeff's level but during the hypomanic phases necessary for recording I do stuff that I find I cannot do later on when the little red light is off. I'm actually pretty happy with the quality of the songs I'm writing nowadays. I currently have 16 songs I've recorded that I'm willing to claim. My specialty is angst mixed in with a little self-satire.
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Jeff Whiteaker
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Post Number: 193
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 11:32 pm:   

randy - have you ever put together any albums or collections of your music for other people to hear? sounds like you've got plenty of songs.

i too have been victim to the home recording bug. all the concubines stuff is recorded at home, using a random combination of a 60s era ampex 1" 8 track for basic tracks, and then the computer for all the overdubs and mixing. it's fun, but it would consume far less of my free time if i actually knew what i was doing.
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Randy Adams
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Post Number: 200
Registered: 03-2005
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 01:07 am:   

Jeff, when I was a teenager I had a fetish for Ampex equipment. But I never got my hands on something so substantial as your one-inch machine. One of the reasons I'm doing things now is because it's easy with digital equipment. The tape machines were a headache and called for real money. I admire your accomplishments with the Concubines even more in light of your doing it at home.

Following the excellent example set by Grant and Robert, I aim for 10 song sets so I do have one set of 10 songs which I've sent off on CD to various friends. The original intention was to add drums but I've still not bought the kit. I want a Roland set for easy recording and no complaining neighbors and that's really expensive. So the first batch of songs still lacks drums and the newest of that batch dates from early 2005. The other six songs consist of five I expect will go on my second "album" plus one that I'd like to shove off but two people who've heard it like it. Of these newer songs, several of them will still probably undergo substantial re-recording before I can call them finished but two or three are pretty much ready to go aside from the missing drums. And everything comes in for occasional re-mastering as I learn a bit more about making the sound decent.

If my computer was not so old, I could convert the songs and send them over the web but at this time I just burn CDs and pass those around the old-fashioned way.
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Lawrence Mikkelsen
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 03:00 am:   

I am currently in a theoretical one-man-band called The Crystal Spires. No songs yet, and barely any musical competance, but hopefully there will be songs and lo-fi recordings by the end of the year.

I've been working with an Auckland indie label for the last few years called Lil' Chief Records, and I guess the music biz has been demystified for me of late. I used to think only complete genius' could write good pop songs, but I'm seeing people I know cranking out great stuff, and want a piece of that pie!
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Matthias Treml
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Post Number: 64
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 03:48 pm:   

A friend and I play a monthly winter coffee house gig together as a duo and sometimes on our own (when there's no time to practice together). I play acoustic guitar and have recently purchased an acoustic bass to add some depth to our duo. He plays acoustic 12 string and harmonica and a shaker at times.

I write and play original songs and we also play covers (Everything from the Beatles to Barenaked Ladies.) We've played Love Goes On! which I think turned out very well. When I was younger and had a four track I recorded This Girl, Black Girl. It's embarassing to listen to now but had a really cool sound to the electric guitar lead I can up with.

I'll talk to my friend and see if he'd like to submit something together.
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Peter Collins
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Post Number: 85
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 05:07 pm:   

I'm lead singer with the Rolling Stones
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Matt Ellis
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Post Number: 62
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 05:10 pm:   

I'm 28 and I'm a bass player. I've played in numerous bands including playing with two brothers who eventually went their own way and ended up coming third on the recent X-Factor show. Apparently they have a single out this week. I'm not sure if this means much to non UK based folk? Its a dreadful show on ITV. Anyways, I'm currently in the following band:

www.kidults-uk.com

By the way thats not a plug - as we have nothing to promote yet!

Just for a hobby, experiment and my own amusement I've been thinking of recording some Grant McC songs on guitar and singing them myself (I'm not really a singer and I need to buy a guitar - I learnt guitar but sold it when I swiched to bass!)
I'd be very interested in playing Go-Bees stuff with anyone based in London.
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Paul Wright
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Post Number: 21
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 06:02 pm:   

Formerly one third of Elephant Thursday, and if you try really hard you can find 4 tracks on My Space. Worth it just to be "myspace friends" of Robert Vickers/Go-Betweens Mk 1 and Mark Gardener of Ride. Fame at last.
Sang (lead and backing), played guitar and bass. Not that we were any good but we recorded 3 CDs over a number of years and played in the North East of England. Mostly we gave the CDs away but I still have $20 on my wall from Bob in Cleveland who found us on MP3.com

In my experience knowing more about recording technology does NOT speed things up - you just spend more time twiddling. You use up the same amount of time - i.e. all the time you have available. We used to use the council owned community studios in Middlesbrough. Ridiculously cheap at £10 per hour including an engineer. Mind, you he expected beer and curries on top.
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gareth w
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Post Number: 41
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 06:11 pm:   

Semi-retired bass player. Not in a band right now but have been ‘lucky’ enough to play in Mad Ambulance, The Alice Band and Push Bar to Open (for about 2 hours the most talked about band in Luton). Opportunity looked at my door and decided to knock elsewhere.
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spence
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Post Number: 205
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 07:46 pm:   

Paul, nice note about being dumb to music tech, I know enough on my boss digi 8 track to get the ideas down and thats it, best off the professionals record the band.

In response to Peter, my real name is Erroll Brown, and this is Hot Chocolate...
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Pádraig Collins
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Post Number: 188
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 07:07 am:   

I formed The Magic Nipple Band when I was 13 with a friend called Paul Cussen. (We figured we'd have to shorten it to MNB later on to get famous).

We were mercifully saved from having to sell out to the man through an innate lack of talent - neither of us could play an instrument or sing.

We were alt country long before the genre was a marketing person's dream. The one song I wrote for our nascent band was the tender ballad You're Too Much Of A Ride* To Be My Grandma. It was not autobiographical; no grand-oedipal complex here.

* For you non-Irish or Scottish board members, a ride (at least when I was a lad) is a good looking girl.

If the tribute albums happens I'd be happy to write the sleeve notes.
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Geoff Holmes
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Post Number: 57
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 10:48 am:   

Like many, I've been in numerous bands made up of various permutations of friends and hangers on. They usually disintegrate after an always promising debut!!! I'm current jamming with another mate who plays drums but it's a very casual collective at the moment called the Woonona Industrial Cooperative Society. 60's pop/psychedelic you might be shocked to know!! I'd love to be in a Go B's band Padraig but the travel would be a bummer. Move to Wollongong!!
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Matt Ellis
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Post Number: 63
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 07:52 pm:   

Hi Paul,

I'm originally from Guisborough. Are we the only Go-Betweens fans ever to come from that part of the world!!?
I've rehearsed at Studio 64 a few times with old bands (before my time with Journey South though).
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XY765
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Post Number: 30
Registered: 01-2006
Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 11:31 am:   

Padraig, your band weren't an off-shoot of The Nipple Erectors per chance?
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Paul Wright
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Post Number: 22
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 05:21 pm:   

Matt, I'll name that studio in one...
I also visited the more professional studio in Stockton where some friends recorded - and played the piano on which Chris Rea wrote Fool if you think its over. Which was odd, because I don't play piano. Though apparently, neither did he. Cost per hour more than Studio 64 cost per day. And Studio 64 was across the road from a pub and underneath a curry house. What more could you want? Apart from daylight of course. And decor.
Nobody else in Middlesbrough 10 years ago was interested in the Go-betweens, or anybody like them. That needed a trip to the Riverside in Newcastle. Though I do remember Lush and Curve in Middlesbrough.
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Paul Wright
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Post Number: 23
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 05:25 pm:   

PS called our last EP Nathan after the engineer at Studio64 at the time. A man who suffered a lot, for not much! He thought Extreme Noise Terror went on too long and had too many tunes. Our lead guitar player liked ELO. Funny way to make a living.
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Paul Wright
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Post Number: 24
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 05:27 pm:   

Oh, and sorry I'm not from the North East - I only worked for ICI. I'm from Hull - and found it rather odd that people called me a southerner.
(for any Aussies wondering, Hull is 80 miles south of Middlesbrough but still officially "the North" - even more officially, Britain's No.1 Crap Town).
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Pádraig Collins
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Post Number: 198
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 03:33 am:   

Weren't The Nipple Erectors Shane McGowan's first band? No, no relation. Just a coincidence. I'd not even heard of The Pogues at the time.
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XY765
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Post Number: 31
Registered: 01-2006
Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 08:43 am:   

Padraig, I was just messing. Yeah they were but they had to change it to the Nips, then they changed it to Pog mo Thoin (kiss my arse in Irish) and finally had to change it again to the Pogues.
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spence
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Post Number: 218
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 09:03 am:   

Funny you guys takilng about Th Nips, my group did a version of Gabrielle by The Nips available on http://www.myspace.com/thewinnebagoorchestra. We did it for a tribute e.p. on Oporto Records in England. It was ok, recorded it in about 2 hours the lot! Its the only song on our myspace at the moment, we are going to try to get sample of our new album out on GoBees Euro label Tuition in May of this year...(Plug)
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Michael Leach
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Post Number: 17
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 10:17 am:   

Hate to be a poo, but the tribute album's been done. About 10 years back, in Brisbane, It was organised by Sean Sennett, then (and possibly still) editor of the local music rag Time Off.

Had a few name acts on it - Blackeyed Susans, Smudge, Killjoys... but Im sure it could be done again, and bigger!

Ooh look: copy for sale on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004UD95/102-7691953-1794510?v=glance&n=5174

Here's the tracklist.

Various Artists / Right Here - A Go-Betweens Tribute
Track Title
1. Pray TV / Bachelor Kisses
2. Flat Stanley / Love Goes On
3. Smudge / I Just Get Caught Out
4. The Buzzards / Was There Anything I Could Do ?
5. The Meanies / Lee Remick
6. Sean Sennett & Friends / Don't Call Me Gone
7. The Steinbecks / Draining The Pool For You
8. The Earthmen / The House Jack Kerouac Built
9. Tender Engines / This Girl, Black Girl
10. Frente / Clouds
11. Snout / Karen
12. Go Between
13. Headache / Core Of A Flame
14. Free Moving Curtis / Hammer The Hammer
15. Holocene / Spring Rain
16. Killjoys / Devil's Eye
17. Lust In Space / Apology Accepted / Part Company
18. Ashtray Boy / Right Here
19. Sunglass / Bye Bye Pride
20. The Blackeyed Susans / Dive For Your Memory
21. The Drunk, The Monk & The Spunk / Rock 'n' Roll Friend
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spence
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Post Number: 221
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 10:20 am:   

oh dear, we strive for original thoughts and visions and then someone spoils our dreams!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyhow http://www.myspace.com/thewinnebagoorchestra The new album samples are up for anyone remotely interested, I'm off to ebay the ribute! Woooooaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhheyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!
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Pádraig Collins
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Post Number: 206
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 10:19 pm:   

The previous tribute album has been discussed on here before. I thought you would have known about it Spence, so I did not mention it. I really like it, though it's been a while since I played it. The Drunk, The Monk & The Spunk featured the guy who was The Go-Betweens last pre-breakup bassist, John Wilsteed. Their version of Rock 'n' Roll Friend was also on one of their albums (possibly the only one).
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Rob Robinson
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Post Number: 43
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 12:11 pm:   

I was wondering if any of y’all in bands have any pecuiliar or bizarre experiences to recount, from playing gigs?

For example, one club we played at several times was a place called “Mr. Brown’s Descent” or just “Mr. Brown’s” (it’s gone now). Anyway, the owner / operator, Tom, was notorious for saying how much he hated the bands that played there.

Once, someone asked him if there were any bands or music he liked. He said, “the sweetest music I ever heard was the sound of money going into the cash register.”

On another occasion, we’d just finished doing our sound check, and Tom approached me. I prepared myself. He said, “I can tell you don’t know how to play a guitar.” When he didn’t get a response, he continued: “You know how I can tell? Good guitar players never have to look at their hands when they’re playin’.”

Lordy.
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Andrew Kerr
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Post Number: 62
Registered: 04-2005
Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 12:35 pm:   

Probably a whole book's worth, Rob...but the first ever gig I played was quite an experience;
everyone was on the stage ready to play and nervous as hell (the singer had already thrown up several times). But no sign of the drummer. He is eventually tracked down to the toilets, where he is being his usual friendly self and changing a broken light-bulb and replacing finished toilet rolls. He receives a particularly withering look from the singer when he makes his way on-stage.

So eventually we start. After perhaps 2 or 3 songs there is a longer than usual pause, with the drummer fiddling around with his kit. Then the immortal line 'Anyone got a paper-clip'? Turns out that his bass drum pedal had been fixed with a paper-clip, which has now broken. He receives another withering look from the singer and she starts a solo song, whilst a paper-clip is sought.

There was also the time that we had to wait in the mini-van (setting off on tour), because the same drummer (lovely man) was having his pajamas ironed by his mother.
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Matt Ellis
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Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 12:46 am:   

Sorry Paul,

I'm only 16 days late in seeing your post! On the most important subject of..Middlesbrough. I found nearby Stockton to be very good for rehearsal spaces (2 very good rooms). I wonder what has become of the costly new ARC Centre in Stockton? ('new' being circa five years old or summat?) to my disgust they never featured any acts of a vaguely rock or indie nature at that venue.

My parents are also not from the North East and like you, moved there due to my fathers job at ICI!

Not wishing to sound negative or stereotypical...I can't imagine many people from the area liking the Go-Betweens. Although I once vaguely met a guy from Stockton who was into them. When I was living in the region in 1999 that guy threatened to invite me down to London to see the Go-Bees. Sadly at that point I had only just heard my first Go-Bees song 'Cattle and Cain' and I was finding my feet as a fan...I've bitterly regretted losing touch and not going to that gig ever since! (although 7 go-betweens gigs to date is a fair number)

I'm very impressed that you are ex Chris Rea. To me (deservedly or not) he is the flagship artist of the area. Scraping the barrell I can only think of the Coverdale guy from Whitesnake (of Saltburn) and Paul Rodgers from Free (of Middlesbrough). Sadly I think its currently Journey South (of Coulby Newham)who are the regions only other notible act.# - they are no 2 in the UK charts right now. (I will admit only once more to being an ex-member!)
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Jeff Whiteaker
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Post Number: 234
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 12:51 am:   

Yes, the tribute album's been done, but it's not very good! Which is why I brought up the idea of doing another one, consisting of covers from fans and contributors to this message board.

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