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     Hardin Smith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 192 Registered: 03-2006 |
This thread is similar to others on the board, but I don't think any ask this precise question. It's part of my ongoing research into the musical DNA of GBs fans...This was also prompted by playing on a new website, Pandora.com, that purports to be able to construct a whole radio station for you by analyzing your tastes, based on as little as one song...guess what? It works abysmally. Based on the GBs song I put in, it yielded up "Barometer Soup" by Jimmy f-ing Buffet! Here are my un-ordered choices... 1) Elvis Costello 2) Van Morrison 3) Leonard Cohen 4) Tom Waits 5) Lucinda Williams 6) Al Green 7) Go-Betweens 8) Bob Dylan 9) Neil Young 10) Loudon Wainwright III | ||
| Jeff Whiteaker Member Username: Jeff_whiteaker Post Number: 256 Registered: 10-2004 |
Here is my subject to change list: 1. Go-Betweens 2. Microdisney 3. The Smiths 4. Felt 5. Japan 6. Cocteau Twins 7. Nick Drake 8. John Cale (mainly early to mid 70s stuff) 9. REM (Chronic Town through Reckoning) 10. XTC a few crucial runners up which, on another day, might have supplanted some above entries (my top 10 isn't etched in stone): 11. Aztec Camera (Postcard-era stuff through Knife) 12. Beach Boys/Brian Wilson (Pet Sounds/Smile/mid-late 60s stuff) 13. Siouxsie 14. New Order 15. Wire 16. Television | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 273 Registered: 05-2005 |
aww jeez Hardin - thats too tough man! Give me a day | ||
| Hardin Smith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 193 Registered: 03-2006 |
I thought you'd have your favorite artists printed on a little card in your wallet, like some people have medic alert cards, Kevin...  | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 236 Registered: 04-2005 |
Yeah, it is too tough. But that won't stop me from trying. Note that this is an "all-time" list, not what I think is the best of current artists--most of these are defunct or not producing great work anymore. Go-Betweens Velvet Underground (Reed and Cale solo included) Roxy Music (but NOT Ferry solo) Television Only Ones Neil Young Yo La Tengo Kristin Hersh (incl. Throwing Muses) Richard Thompson Beatles (yeah, I'm a sap) Bubbling under: Elvis Costello Husker Du/Bob Mould Wire Joy Division Talking Heads Sleater-Kinney Sonic Youth Steely Dan (pre-'77 only) Spinanes/Rebecca Gates Gang of Four PJ Harvey | ||
| Hardin Smith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 194 Registered: 03-2006 |
Kurt and Jeff, youse guys might enjoy that book I was talking about w/ Kevin, "Rip it up and start again" by Simon Reynolds. It's a history of post punk and it's got great chapters on several of the groups you mention...just finished it and it was just incredibly fun. LOVE XTC! What the hell has happened to them? Is Partridge content to just be, in essence, curator of his own career? And the Spinanes are (were? are they still extant?) great too...I missed them when they came to Baton Rouge when I was living there. I had tickets but they showed up so late (way after midnight) I had to blow it off, being a working stiff...I heard Rebecca showed up, looking typically fetching, wearing a t-shirt that said, "Fat, Bald and 40"... | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 237 Registered: 04-2005 |
Hardin, you won't believe this, but I was planning to go downstairs in a couple of minutes to buy that book on my lunch hour. I'm lucky enough to work a block away from Seattle's best indie bookstore (i.e., best bookstore, period). I love XTC but they didn't make my list because of serious quality control problems since "English Settlement" or so. I saw Rebecca Gates play a solo gig in a nearly empty club about five years ago, after releasing her first and only solo CD (an EP). Don't know what's become of her since. It's a shame, because the second and third Spinanes albums are really wonderful. | ||
| Andy Robinson Member Username: Andyblue Post Number: 21 Registered: 03-2005 |
Wow . . . in a stream of consciousness stylee and as I start am swinging between are there really ten enduring artistes and will ten be enough. 1. The Go Betweens - naturally 2. Jonathan Richman 3. Richard Thompson 4. Billy Bragg 5. Bare Naked Ladies 6. Prefab Sprout 7. Lambchop 8. Aztec Camera 9. Jackie Leven 10. Jimmy Webb - as a songwriter, rather than a singer 11. Cowboy Junkies 12. Counting Crows Those are probably artistes that have endured for years - I'm thinking other lists too. One for comfortable old slippers that I know I can always go back to e.g. Joe Jackson. Julia Fordham, Bacharach, The Pogues and The Clash Those that have not yet produced or did not produce a big enough canon yet to break into the list e.g. Jeff Buckley, Rufus Wainwright, The Streets, The Redskins, Judith Owen or maybe that I'm beginning to get to know and have potential e.g. The Lucksmiths And finally those that I like a lot mostly but who sometimes I don't get or who basically (I think) messed up e.g. Tom Waits, American Music Club, Prince, Nick Cave, Microdisney/Fatima Mansions/High Llamas/Cathal Coughlan, Elvis Costello, Finn Brothers I appreciate that some of these artists have been criticised elsewhere on the thread but hey it's my list. Also the beauty of the thing is that like most of you we are all constantly finding new stuff that may are not join in the major list or that sometimes just stands on its own as a work of excellence. | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 303 Registered: 05-2005 |
Wire Pale Fountains Josef K Scott Walker Go Betweens Debussy Television REM Blue Aeroplanes Velvets The Clash David Bowie (75-80) Momus (el and creation era) Robert Cray Massive Attack (still can't believe the genius here) The Monochrome Set. Paul Haig (early eighties) | ||
| Jeff Whiteaker Member Username: Jeff_whiteaker Post Number: 258 Registered: 10-2004 |
Awesome list, Spence. Especially for mentioning the Paleys, Scott Walker, Josef K, and Momus. I love the Pale Fountains and even some Shack (like their first album Zilch). I can't remember if they've come up in discussions before, but they were truly amazing to my ears. | ||
| Hardin Smith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 200 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hey put it out there, Andy - let your freak flag fly...I defy anybody to say their choices are morally superior to yours...I, for one, am crazy about a lot of your choices: Prefab, Thompson, Bragg, Microdisney (way preferred over Cathal's solo work), Nick Cave, Prince (his new disc is actually great, I think) and Billy Bragg (did you get the box set?). My tastes are way too all over the map to neatly encapsulize in a list of 10, but that's part of the fun of it... I was listening to Los Lobos yesterday while cleaning house (which I do every six months whether it needs it or not) and Jesus, what an awesome and awe-inspiring band...sheer musical bliss and I didn't even find space for em on my list.... | ||
| Randy Adams Member Username: Randy_adams Post Number: 271 Registered: 03-2005 |
I hate these lists. The top ten ranked folks in terms of how many CDs of theirs I have are: 1. The Hollies--35 entries. This terminally unhip band made some of the very best pop & rock in the 1960s. Forget the singles and go to the albums. After Graham Nash left things thinned out a lot but "Confessions of a Mind" and "Romany" are still classics. 2. The Fall -- 23 entries. For me, they started seriously losing interest value in the early 90s but there's still always something worth hearing. 3. Ed Kuepper -- 18 entries not including Saints, Aints or Laughing Clowns. Love this man's work. The later albums are a bit thinner but still always at least one-half a very good album. 4. Marianne Faithfull -- 17 entries. I've followed her all the way from her early falsetto folkbird warblings to her junk-hazed Dylan readings (try "Visions of Johanna" from the mid-70s) to the 1980s and forward rebirth. She does a bit more star guest action on her newer records than I'd like but her version of "Tower of Song" is the pinnacle. Sorry, Robert's doesn't compete. 5. Go Betweens -- 14 not including solo albums. I'm very happy that this not very prolific band made it this high up. 6. Rolling Stones tied with The Church -- a lucky 13 entries each. The Stones through "Beggars Banquet" are pretty hard to beat but, imho, the booting out of Andrew Oldham was a big mistake. 7. Byrds tied with Monkees tied with Dusty Springfield -- 12 entries each. Once I get to the below-12 entries, things get too numerous but my current favorite candidates in this group include Beau Brummels (11 entries), Monochrome Set (10 entries), Toots & the Maytals (10 entries) and think of all the great people who weren't very prolific from the Apartments to April March to the Zombies. | ||
| David Matheson Member Username: David_matheson Post Number: 70 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hardin, it was interesting that aside from the Go-Bs your list contained all solo artists rather than groups. I'm surprised that nobody seems to have mentioned The Triffids yet, so I will. I like XTC as well, but not in my top 10. David Bowie The Go-Betweens The Beatles Lloyd Cole The Triffids Nick Drake Luka Bloom Split Enz Paul Kelly Archie Roach Billy Bragg Indigo Girls Midnight Oil Johnny Cash Couldn't stop at 10. | ||
| Geoff Holmes Member Username: Geoff Post Number: 96 Registered: 05-2005 |
Neither will I David... Beatles Byrds Dylan Donovan Church Smiths REM GoBetweens Ride Crowded House/Neil Finn Triffids Ups and Downs Monkees Cocteau Twins ...pop,pop,pop,pop,pop!!!!! That site sounds great Hardin! I will be investigating it with glee!!!! | ||
| XY765 Member Username: Judge Post Number: 41 Registered: 01-2006 |
Beck Beatles Tom Waits Bob Dylan (up to the mid 70s) Luna Smiths Wilco Spacemen 3 (&Spectrum) Neil Young (& CrazyHorse though not CSN&Y) Go-Betweens Velvet Underground (and first two Lou Reed solos) Flaming Lips others there or there abouts: Billy Bragg (up to Don't Try This At Home) My Bloody Valentine Modern Lovers/and the ML 88 album (and some early Jonathon Richman) Wedding Present Roy Orbison The Stooges (and the Bowie produced solo Iggy albums) Yo la Tengo | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 274 Registered: 05-2005 |
in no order wire joy division the clash rem (80s only) husker du replacements the fall the smiths bowie (70s only) flaming lips this list would not be same if you asked the same question next week Hardin - the only certainties to be in it are The Fall and Joy Division | ||
| Hardin Smith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 206 Registered: 03-2006 |
Kev, I dig all of your top 10, though they're different than mine. The GBs ain't up there are they? I share the Fall fixation, too - someday you'll have to tell me the stuff to get. With MES' career verging on what? 30 years, there's just so much out there - he's a tough one to get a grip on.... And Randy, I've dabbled in Marianne Faithfull, too. What a fascinating artist...You may think these are somewhat minor examples of her particular geinus, but I love the slow version of Trouble in Mind, and also, the Kris Kristofferson song she covered, "The Hawk" (I believe it was called?) for the movie soundtrack. She has a pretty good live DVD out, too, that you probably already have. Did you get the big ass Hollies box set? David, the group vs. individual artist dynamic is an interesting one, probably worthy of its own thread...the "group" phenomenon is such a strange idea - essentially a boys club for grown men (or women), yet it seems that many of my favorite artists' work suffered once they divested themselves of their bands: Elvis Costello, Bruce Springsteen, Paul and John, David Byrne, Glenn Tilbrook, etc., so maybe there is something to the whole notion. Geoff, Pandora.com is a cool idea, but being something of a closet Luddite, I was glad that a stinky ole logarithm couldn't predict my tastes so easily...I always get pissed when Amazon's search engine does that "You may like this, too" thing, based on previous searches..."well pal, maybe I won't." Agree about Lloyd Cole, too - he's pretty wonderful and I liked his last album a lot. | ||
| jerry hann Member Username: Jerry_h Post Number: 99 Registered: 07-2005 |
Elvis Costello The Go-betweens Tom Waits Nick Cave Bob Dylan Neil Young Billy Bragg Van Morrison ( until mid-nineties) The Smiths Rockingbirds Ron Sexsmith | ||
| Michael Bachman Member Username: Michael_bachman Post Number: 59 Registered: 01-2005 |
1. Robyn Hitchcock/Soft Boys/Egyptians 2. The Go-Betweens 3. Gram Parsons/Flying Burrito Brothers 4. The Byrds 5. The Allman Brothers Band 6. John Coltrane 7. The Beatles 8. Talking Heads 9. Peter Green era Fleetwood Mac 10. Fairport Convention/Richard & Linda Thompson 11. REM (1982-87 period) 12 Uncle Bob (1961-74) 13. Syd Barrett (and Piper era Pink Floyd) 14. Kate Rusby 15. Julia Fordham 16. Art Blakey 17. Miles Davis 18. Bud Powell 19. Television 20. Crowded House/Neil Finn/Finn Bothers 21. June Christy 22. Sarah Vaughan 23. My Bloody Valentine 24. Slowdive 25. Karrin Allyson | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 307 Registered: 05-2005 |
Jeff, Get the Shack album HMS Fable, its AWESOME! Some new stuff I am witing for our new record is very Pacific Street, that subconciopus influence is still there, has been for 22 years now! Oh, Kev reminded me, The Smiths... and XY7, Wilco. Cheers chaps. | ||
| Jerry Clark Member Username: Jerry Post Number: 234 Registered: 08-2004 |
Michael Bachman are you working on an imperial 10 there? 1. Bob Dylan 2. Go-Betweens 3. R.E.M. 4. Echo & The Bunnymen 5. Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds 6. The Who 7. The Jam 8. Public Enemy 9. Babybird 10. Pulp I like the fact my list has 8 acts that are still recording/touring. | ||
| Andy Robinson Member Username: Andyblue Post Number: 23 Registered: 03-2005 |
Hey Hardin - thanks for the comments! It looks from the lists that theres a lot of common ground for everyone and if I had less of a life there would be some kinds of link between all of the users (other than the Go Be's of course). Yeah I got the box set and there's some interesting bits on the bonuses. It's funny how Bill's grown older with us - though I was never quiter so thin! I've found I'm listening more now to the next couple of CDs where he seemed to mature a lot in his songwriting and I seem to relate more to that now than some of the solo guitar atuff - I have to be in the right mood now or it sounds a bit brash. Is the tour going anywhere near you? We're off in early May to London - one of our group is something of an obsessive and when he last counted he had seen the Braggmeister something like 50 times - this includes a lot of political rallies and free concerts in the early-mid eighties! | ||
| abigail law Member Username: Abigail Post Number: 63 Registered: 06-2005 |
dylan go-betweens joy division/new order doris day iggy tom waits fall patsy cline go-betweens nico gene clark dusty springfield neil young 69-78 hank williams smiths red house painters/sun kil moon presely patti smith (first three albums) nina simone cash | ||
| Hardin Smith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 211 Registered: 03-2006 |
Abigail, you might get the award for most eclectic list. Veddy interesting...Nico's version of "These Days" is superb. Have tons of stuff by Nina Simone, too...for some reason, "My Baby Just Cares For Me" is my fave thing she does - always makes me smile to hear it. Andy, I too have the box set - no (real) surprises, since if you're a fan you already have the bulk of it, but excellent nonetheless, and I've been having a blast revisiting all of it... Out of the discs it reprises, I think the "green" one (is it "Brewing Up"?) has the love songs that still work for me...love "The Saturday Boy". I actually saw him in '89, when he came to Baton Rouge, La. of all places...the night before I had seen the Stones at the Superdome in N.O. (back then it was known as something other than a refuge for Katrina victims). I never dreamed that those two worlds would intersect, but lo and behold, Bill talked about the concert at his show - he'd been there too! Something about no matter what bloated rock stars they were, hearing Keef play the opening chords to "Gimme Shelter" still sent shivers up his spine. It was a great show, as you can imagine. Don't know if he's coming anywhere near LA, but if he does, I'm there, man. | ||
| Andy Robinson Member Username: Andyblue Post Number: 25 Registered: 03-2005 |
Missed a few - should of put in The Triffids . . . Josh Rouse . . . Damien Dempsey - anyone heard anything of him? | ||
| Randy Adams Member Username: Randy_adams Post Number: 276 Registered: 03-2005 |
Yes, Hardin, I do have the big Hollies box set. It's necessary for the completist in me and has some things I'd otherwise not have but I would NOT recommend it to anyone but a completist. One of the nice surprises is a very late recording (1988) they did of Nils Lofgren's "Shine Silently." It's really gorgeous except for whoever the a-hole is who played keys. It's probably the second-to-last good thing they recorded. The booklet is nice too. I haven't heard Nico's version of "Dese Days" in years. I used to think it comical, wonder if I still would. She always seemed better in concept than in actual fact. I remember how disappointed I was with her version of "Heroes" which I was all prepared to love. I'd like to amend a comment I made up there about the Fall. After sending off that typically overlong entry I pulled out "The Real New Fall LP" aka "Country on the Click." That is just a really great record and beats the hell out of a lot of their 90's era albums. It's hugely fun to play guitar to. | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 246 Registered: 04-2005 |
Not that anyone cares except me and possibly Luke Haines (and I doubt that), but how could I forget the Auteurs from my top ten list? And you lot have named many, many who could easily make my list that I forgot. This list is far too difficult... | ||
| Hardin Smith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 212 Registered: 03-2006 |
Yeah, I picked it up and thought hmmm, maybe I'm not THAT big a fan...but for the people who are it's gotta be like a fresh shipment of crack! You can't choose what you associate music with, but I have a strong anchor of "Dese Days" (sounds like Tony Soprano) with a really sad scene from "The Royal Tenenbaums" - it's used to fairly lacerating effect. Such a great song too, one of my alltime faves...Nico's vocal stylings are definitely an acquired taste, but I personally dig them. | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 247 Registered: 04-2005 |
Hardin, do you have those legendary (notorious) Nico albums like "The Marble Index" and "Desertshore"? I have to admit I'm no fan of the woman and wouldn't buy those albums, but I'm curious what someone who likes her thinks of them. They were a long way from "These Days," from what I've heard. | ||
| abigail law Member Username: Abigail Post Number: 64 Registered: 06-2005 |
chelsea girl, marble index and desertshore are three of my favourite albums - for me they're the greatest things any of the ex-velvet underground members have done which is ironic because she was treated as a joke by the hugely overrated lou reed. | ||
| jerry hann Member Username: Jerry_h Post Number: 102 Registered: 07-2005 |
On the Billy Bragg theme, I always prefered his "Love songs " more than his more political he always seems to turn every day saying/facts into poetry. Hardin I remember seeing him in Sheffield and in the between songs banter was talking about tribute bands etc,and said his tribute artins would call himself the Saturday Boy then went into the song -a sublime moment. But before he said it I just knew that he would was going to say that. Other artist I forgot, Ben Folds, Mark Mulcahy,REM ( until Bill Berry left),Orchestra Baobab and The Fall (who are the antidote to all that is bad in over commercialised plastic music world. | ||
| Cichli Suite Member Username: Cichli_suite Post Number: 100 Registered: 08-2004 |
Abigail, I think Chelsea girl is fantasic. For me, it's as good as any VU album. Marble Index is harder to get into, but a great piece of work all the same. Didn't Lester Bangs rate it as one of the greatest 'art' albums ever made - I can't really recall how he phrased it. | ||
| Simon Withers Member Username: Sfwithers Post Number: 22 Registered: 08-2005 |
Roughly going by how much I listen to them, and in a rough order that's not set in stone are... The Go-Betweens Belle & Sebastian Nick Drake Jefferson Airplane/Great Society The Chills The Beatles Ed Kuepper (big fan, met him on many occasions in the late 80s/early 90s) Kate Bush REM (til early 90s or so) The Cure Bubbling under… Talking Heads, The Smiths... | ||
| abigail law Member Username: Abigail Post Number: 65 Registered: 06-2005 |
cichli - not sure what lester bang's had to say on marble index but it is a rewarding (that sounds so naff) album. I can't listen to ari's song or afraid from desertshore without shivers running up and down my spine. i avoided reading songs they never play on the radio by james young for a long time because i thought it would paint her in too harsh a light but, even though it was a pretty torrid life she was living toward the end, it didn't diminish my love of her music. | ||
| Mark Tuffield Member Username: Mark_t Post Number: 32 Registered: 05-2005 |
The Go-Betweens Orange Juice The Pale Fountains/Shack The Flatmates Throwing Muses Prefab Sprout Mamas & Papas The Byrds St Etienne The Associates With far too many others vying for contention… | ||
| Hardin Smith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 213 Registered: 03-2006 |
Kurt, I just have Chelsea Girl...my tastes being, as you've probably noticed, more geared to the poppy, accessible side of things (it's the Dick Clark ethos - it has to have a good beat and be easy to dance to), I avoid the more out there, experimental stuff...Having said that, Abigail's raves do picque my curiousity... | ||
| Bob Mail Member Username: Bob Post Number: 18 Registered: 03-2006 |
The ten for today. It will change tomorrow American Music Club The Go-Betweens Scott Walker Laura Nyro Frank Sinatra (mid to late 50s) REM Talking Heads The Beatles (Rubber Soul/ Revolver) David Sylvian XTC Lots of the others mentioned too such as Chills, Sprouts, Bragg, Al Green. M Gaye. also another band Fountains of Wayne -most excellent and underratted in my opinion. | ||
| Michael Bachman Member Username: Michael_bachman Post Number: 60 Registered: 01-2005 |
Darn, I forgot Kate Bush in my list! The Dreaming is one of my all time favorites. I just have Chelsea Girl as well by Nico, but I always wanted to get The Marble index. While Lou Reed certaily has had his ups and downs albums wise, The Blue Mask from 1982 is a great album and 1983's Legendary Hearts is just a tick below. His band at the time with Robert Quine, Fernando Saunders and Fred Maher, cooked. The dvd A Night With Lou Reed from a 1983 concert at The Bottom Line in NYC captures the band in full flight. Not to be missed. | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 252 Registered: 04-2005 |
Michael, I couldn't agree with you more about the 1982-83 Lou Reed albums--"The Blue Mask" and "Legendary Hearts" are probably his best solo albums ever, though I suppose the "Transformer" fans would disagree. It's a shame "A Night with Lou Reed" wasn't released as a live album instead of the terrible-sounding, ragged-voiced "Live in Italy," which featured the same band. Lou and the band are fantastic at the Bottom Line show. And though Lou put out a lot of bad solo records and treated Nico like crap, I'd still rather listen to him (or Cale) than her. | ||
| Jerry Clark Member Username: Jerry Post Number: 243 Registered: 08-2004 |
I feel New York is one of LR's best, he's always been good at wordy/drippy/stupid love songs. Great guitar player too. | ||
| Ian Britchfield Member Username: Ian_b Post Number: 2 Registered: 03-2006 |
Here's 16 or so- The Go-Betweens Billy Bragg The Pogues The Housemartins Stars of Heaven Early UB40 Willard Grant Conspiracy The Clash The Kinks Martin Stephenson Bob Marley & The Wailers The Specials The Proclaimers The Sundays The Streets the Waterboys | ||
| Matt Ellis Member Username: Matt_ellis Post Number: 90 Registered: 11-2004 |
The Go-Betweens Sluts of Trust The Young Knives Radiohead Smashing Pumpkins Mansun Whipping Boy New Order Queen Lambchop Blimey that was difficult! | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 281 Registered: 05-2005 |
Hardin, picking up from your Royal Tennenbaums post, the most harrowing scene in that (excellent)film is the wrist cutting scene in the bathroom where the song playing is Elliot Smiths "needle in the hay". never have a song and a scene been so well matched | ||
| Hardin Smith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 248 Registered: 03-2006 |
That WAS harrowing. And yes, an excellent film. Using music well in film like that really is a rarity...I have the DVD and should pull it out, but it almost seems too sad (parts of it), in that nagging, real life way, instead of over the top melodrama.. | ||
| Hardin Smith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 249 Registered: 03-2006 |
ps - I'm anxiously waiting to hear how many discs are in your collection (see the "Does Size Matter?" Thread)...I bet you could be the prizewinner! | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 284 Registered: 05-2005 |
nope. looks like padraigs got this sewn up hardin | ||
| Hardin Smith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 255 Registered: 03-2006 |
I stand in awe of Padraig - he is the MF of CDs... | ||
| Hardin Smith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 257 Registered: 03-2006 |
BTW, Matt...Sluts of Trust wins the award for best name on this thread...what're they like? |