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     Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 458 Registered: 04-2005 |
Either albums by artists you'd written off completely because of a long artistic decline or a terrible prior album, or comeback albums by long-defunct bands. Neil Young, Bob Dylan, Lou Reed, and Costello rule the first category in my book, as they've all come back from the depths more than once. Young - Freedom, Prairie Wind Dylan - Blood on the Tracks, Time Out of Mind Reed - The Blue Mask, New York Elvis Costello - King of America/Blood and Chocolate (two in one year!), When I Was Cruel Also: Sonic Youth - Murray Street (after the lousy NYC Ghosts & Flowers) David Bowie - Station to Station (debatable, but I thought Young Americans and Diamond Dogs were subpar save for a few great songs) In the second category, these come to mind: Mission of Burma - ONOffON Go-Betweens - TFORW (you won't all agree, though) Peter Perrett - Woke Up Sticky Brian Eno/John Cale - Wrong Way Up (first song-based album in a long time from either) New Order - Get Ready | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 498 Registered: 05-2005 |
Dylan - Oh Mercy Teenage Fanclub - Grand Prix | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 612 Registered: 05-2005 |
I agree with Friends Of Rachel Worth, I thought, WOW! They are back, but completely invigourated. Grand Prix too. Erm, Altitude by The Blue Aeroplanes. How it grieves me that I can't say anything about my favourite new Wavers as they weren't around long enough, so I'm personally kinda stuck I suppose. The old guys like Dylan etc, I find hard to know what is certified as a comeback. I think maybe Bowie, personally started sounding the best since Lets Dance in '94 with Outside (Jools Holland appearance was awesome). Lets Dance was by no means great but it was the slide downhill. Similar for Weller, downhill from '84 until Wild Wood/Stanley Road. To me these would be classed as a comeback to some form after similar periods of oblivion, at almost the same time too. Funny that. | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 613 Registered: 05-2005 |
On a purely cheeky level, we are recording the second Winnebago Orchestra album and as I get bored with everything I do personally after a day or so, the new album is going to be 'Wicked!!' A great comeback me thinks!! LOL!!!! | ||
| Pat Boland Member Username: Pat_boland Post Number: 16 Registered: 05-2005 |
After the Break - Planxty The Friends of Rachel Worth - The Go-Betweens The Good Earth - The Feelies Land of Dreams - Randy Newman Greenland - Cracker Hats - The Blue Nile Days Run Away - The House of Love | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 586 Registered: 03-2006 |
Wow, I think everybody's already listed all the great ones...but here are a meager few more: American Recordings - Johnny Cash Some Girls - Rolling Stones (not everyone may agree, but this, to me represented a complete, kickass comeback after the "what the f__" disappointment that was Black & Blue) Don't Give Up On Me - Solomon Burke Who's this Peter Perret guy, Kurt? Don't know of him, or his album, "Woke Up Sticky" (hate it when that happens)... | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 588 Registered: 03-2006 |
Wow, I think everybody's already listed all the great ones...but here are a meager few more: American Recordings - Johnny Cash Some Girls - Rolling Stones (not everyone may agree, but this, to me represented a complete, kickass comeback after the "what the f__" disappointment that was Black & Blue) Don't Give Up On Me - Solomon Burke Bettye Lavette - Damn! What's the name of it? "A Woman Something Something" Who's this Peter Perret guy, Kurt? Don't know of him, or his album, "Woke Up Sticky" (hate it when that happens)... | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 589 Registered: 03-2006 |
%#$&@*! This board lied to me! It told me there was an error and to resubmit my message...you see what happens... | ||
| Randy Adams Member Username: Randy_adams Post Number: 502 Registered: 03-2005 |
Broken English -- Marianne Faithfull People I hope make great comeback records: Ed Kuepper, Richard Davies | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 460 Registered: 04-2005 |
Hardin, Peter Perrett was the elegantly wasted singer/songwriter who led the great, great Only Ones, best known for "Another Girl, Another Planet." He had MASSIVE drug problems in the Only Ones days, and after the band folded, he just disappeared into a decade-plus of druggy depravity with his common-law wife. Then he reemerged in the early '90s, made an EP I've never been able to find, followed by the album "Woke Up Sticky," which picked up where he'd left off--and he sounded as good as ever. His weird gnomic voice (kind of a cross between Marc Bolan and Lou Reed) was fully intact and the songs were as sharp as ever--most being about his decade in the drug wilderness, not surprisingly. The music wasn't quite as good as the Only Ones, but nonetheless, it was a remarkable comeback. And then he disappeared again. I've read that he's so unreliable and flighty that everyone just gives up on him eventually, including his manager. Too bad, as he's a major talent and had a lot of influence on the Britpop and American indie movements. By the way, "Broken English," "Some Girls," "Land of Dreams," and "American Recordings" are all great choices as comeback albums. | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 685 Registered: 05-2005 |
Grand Prix - I thought they were done and dusted after 13 as well Padraig. Some Girls - yep agree there LK. Does Kid A count? I didnt like anything up till that album. Randy - Richard Davies, he was great. I have an album by him somewhere, maybe called Telegraph? Have you ever heard Cardinal, the band he was in with Eric Matthews before they both went solo. The self titled album is one of those lost,unheralded classics. | ||
| Jerry Clark Member Username: Jerry Post Number: 371 Registered: 08-2004 |
New Order - Movement (probably the best comeback debut ever) Echo & The Bunnymen - Evergreen (not a great album by their standards, but I'd rather they were back together making music than not at all. The same goes for Pixies/New Order/Mondays) R.E.M. - New Adventures & Up (much maligned since Automatic & more-so since Bill Berry left, you've got to appreciate that they're still with us & kick-ass live) Babybird - Between My Ears Theres Nothing But Music (looking forward to the return of a legend) Jarvis Cocker - Solo Debut (another Sheffield great on a kind of comeback after Relaxed Muscle & The Wyrd Sisters) Pere Ubu - Why I Hate Women (just as grim as they were in the '70's, you've got to love it) Can I add an alternative: The Cure - Disintegration (they didn't "jump the shark" at all here I love this LP. But everything after has been shit. Now every 4 years or so Bob brings out another gloomy offering & claims along with the critics "it's part of a trilogy with Pornography & Disintegration". No it isn't Bob it's just shit) | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 622 Registered: 05-2005 |
Jerry, you named it my man, Movement, that's it END OF!! | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 687 Registered: 05-2005 |
Jery, Spence = speaking as a big JD/NO fan, Movement is shit. Although that is by those 2 bands high standards, if it had been released in the last 2 years it would have wiped the ass of any other UK band. | ||
| Randy Adams Member Username: Randy_adams Post Number: 507 Registered: 03-2005 |
I just don't get the New Order thing. I love Joy Division but New Order? | ||
| Jerry Clark Member Username: Jerry Post Number: 376 Registered: 08-2004 |
New Order were brilliant from Movement to Technique. Stunning rhythm section, where they lost the lyrics they gained a shitload of melody. Lp's, singles & B-sides are all bang on. Even the 12" mixes are essential. | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 628 Registered: 05-2005 |
For me, it was being young and New Order seemed very influential, and mysterious (remember we knew less about Ian Curtis then than we do now!) but they looked cool, still as you like apart from Hooky. i also loved with a apassion Barney Sumner's guitar style, this kind of metallic thrashiness, he played the chords with passion and although the band could be out timing wise, they had it, that special somnething, I suppose on reflection I enjoyed and smiled at their innovation, be it down to Martin Hannett or not, I'll never forget the way they trudged through 6 minutes worth of Blue Monday on Top of the pops, and all live! Every band under the sun that did TOTP never played Live!! I saw NO in '85 for the first time, what put me off were the scallies, trendy thuggy types, really scary, especially at the time, I was walking around with a bootlace tie on! | ||
| Randy Adams Member Username: Randy_adams Post Number: 512 Registered: 03-2005 |
What are "scallies" Spence? | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 508 Registered: 05-2005 |
Scally = burberry hatted, lumpen prole. Best illustrated in this hilarious video: http://cecimoz.co.uk/portal.php?page=7 See also: scally (England) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scally skanger (Ireland) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skanger bogan (Australia, NZ) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogan chav (England) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav ned (Scotland) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ned_%28Scottish%29 spide (Northern Ireland) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spide white trash (USA) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_trash | ||
| Randy Adams Member Username: Randy_adams Post Number: 516 Registered: 03-2005 |
Padraig, your thoroughness silences me. | ||
| jerry hann Member Username: Jerry_h Post Number: 209 Registered: 07-2005 |
"Chav" whats that all about? where did it come from?-A nurse I work with used it and said it meant Council House And Violent. People are so judgemental these days! | ||
| Jerry Clark Member Username: Jerry Post Number: 377 Registered: 08-2004 |
Scally is a Manchester thing if memory serves, the kind of people who'd buy you a drink so they could punch your lights out when your guard is down. I suppose the London equivalent was Casuals Chav is also known as short for "Cheltenham Average". Mainly white kids dressed as black kids, mongers of petty crime. Before the Chav term came along, we called them Homie's or in large groups Blazing Squad. | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 630 Registered: 05-2005 |
Heh heh! Nice one Padraig! In those days though, it was similar in so much as the males had greasy combed straight bowl(ish) haircuts, but they wore Pringle or Lyle and Scott jumpers/polo shirts and puma trainers. Adidas in the mid 80's wasn;t happening too much, until they started the reissues around '94/95 in England that is. Meanwhile, I was sporung a very fetching second hand US cheque shirt ala Edwyn Collins style, 50's jeans with a foot length turn up at the bottom of each leg, bootlace tie, bit of a rough style quiff, ala edwyn collins again, http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40863000/jpg/_40863627_orange203.jpg and either brogue shoes (fine brohue) slat shoes, or black desert boots ala Malcolm Ross. The Smiths wre a happening too, so I'd probab;ly be spotted poncing around with a bunch of old graveyard flowers ( we used toi recycle them form the gaveyard bins! - well meaning of course) then trap down to the school disco! All this between 1982 and 1984. Aged 13 - 15. | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 611 Registered: 03-2006 |
Would Eminem be a Chav if he came from the UK? | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 472 Registered: 04-2005 |
That's brilliant, Spence. We really need to get a photo section on this site so we can see a few snaps of you from those days. Hey, so I have a European style question. What are the hot trainers there these days? Pumas have taken over from Adidas and Nike in the States as the must-have hipster shoes (at least in Seattle). I figure we're always a few years behind what you lot are wearing, though. | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 697 Registered: 05-2005 |
Wheyhey, Im fashinable at last!! I wear Puma trainers, and have Puma sportswear for the few occasions I actually do some exercise. | ||
| Cichli Suite Member Username: Cichli_suite Post Number: 143 Registered: 08-2004 |
Thanks for the list, Bud (Pádraig!). The seriously sociological tone describing the behaviour and vices of the skanger had me in stitches. The link to 'When skangers do bad things' from Wikipedia was pretty funny too. Mrs Suite told me that in Queensland, the term was 'Bevan' and the female Bevan was often known as a 'Cheryl'. It's been over 10 years since she's lived there so the lingo may have moved on. By the way, on the subject of pronouncing your name. The only other Pádraig I know insists on the 'Paw-rick' pronounciation. Is that a regional thing. He's from a Gaeltacht area and pretty keen on the fáda too, as he should be! | ||
| Mark Leydon Member Username: Mark_leydon Post Number: 64 Registered: 05-2005 |
Nice one Pádraig. But can't believe that comprehensive Wikipedia definition of 'Bogan' failed to mention the original term for Bogan used in NZ and Aus - i.e: Hoon. Bogan is a late '80s/90s upstart. Hoon the original and still the best. As in 'I'm not going to that pub - it's full of f*ing hoons'. | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 509 Registered: 05-2005 |
Cichli, yes, it's a regional thing. Munster Irish is Paw-drig, everywhere else seems to be Paw-rick. They are wrong! What's the G for? Decoration? I hate it when Irish people call me Paw-rick even after I've told them how to pronounce it. One of my lecturers at college (and, briefly, a former minor pop star) told me he'd never heard of the name Paw-drig - as if that excused him from pronouncing it properly! (I forgave him a few years later when we had a good chat one morning outside the Bretzel bakery near Rathmines!). At least with non-Irish people I tell them how to pronounce it and they do. | ||
| Mark Leydon Member Username: Mark_leydon Post Number: 65 Registered: 05-2005 |
Hmmm - I did find a Wikipedia entry for Hoon. But looks like this is a case where there is a very different meaning in NZ vs Aus. In NZ it is synonymous with Bogan - i.e. a derogatory term for anyone considered unsophisticated. But looks like in Aus is a term used specifically for kids who drive round recklessly in hotted up cars (i.e. 'boy racers'). | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 514 Registered: 05-2005 |
I always took hoon to refer to people who drive cars fast in Australia Mark. I think I was familiar with the word bogan when I previously lived in Australia as a backpacker in 1992. I am certainly all too familiar with bogan the species. I want to run for mayor of Manly on a bogan curfew ticket next time round. It's a very simple premise: All bogans (identified by stonewashed jeans, track suits, mullet haircuts, Jimmy Barnes t-shirts, inability to utter a sentence without swearing, severe sunburn etc, etc) to be on the 5pm ferry back to the city or they are incarcerated overnight on a pontoon. On the ocean, not harbour, side. Beyond the shark nets. I reckon I'll be elected on a landslide. | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 705 Registered: 05-2005 |
Still on the Irish name thing. Isnt Cait(short for Caitlin)O'Riordan, ex wife of Elvis Costello's name pronounced Cott, and her full name pronounced Cottlin? In the last few years Caitlin has become a very popular name in the UK, however as usual with names and place names the British have anglicised it and you will never hear it pronounced anything other than Katelin. | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 516 Registered: 05-2005 |
Yes. More like Cawt where I come from, but that's just a regional variation. Caitlin is Katleen where I come from; which of course was Anglicised to Kathleen. | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 626 Registered: 03-2006 |
Kurt, you got me thinking 'bout Rachel Worth...Not everybody agrees about the greatness of the Mk.II stuff, but a LOT of the fans are quite pleased with them and rate them. I obviously do... I wonder, in the annals of pop/rock history, has a group ever re-united after so many years away to produce such a series of credible, highly regarded records? Put more simply, has there ever been such a successful comeback after such a long absence? I can't think of any... ps - What ever happened to EC's ex, Ms. O'Riordan? She still make music? | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 643 Registered: 05-2005 |
Andy from The Winnebago Orchestra allegidly went out with her briefly when he used to hang out as a roadie/hanger on with tThe mighty pogues in 1984. Apparently it is pronounced Cott/Cawt. He then found himself on the arong side of Mr Costello, I can't say much else.... Go-Betweens - TFORW (you won't all agree, though) Kurt, nice one. It is fu8ckin briliant that album. Its raw and has energy, its direct and urgent, there's no messing around with production techniques, its "get the stuff down" type of sound, I love it with a passion. The covers great too. If you go down to the woods today... Ah, I'm missing the thoughty of G not being around on any new stuff, I must say. | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 481 Registered: 04-2005 |
All true, Spence, plus you have to give them big props for making the reunion album in a strange (to them) locale with the help of hip and "scrappy" indies like Larry Crane and Sleater-Kinney, as opposed to going the more typical route of using a name commercial producer and session musicians to make a slick, polished album (aka, 16LL Mk II). There's a certain honesty and even contraraian nature to their comeback that one has to admire. | ||
| Jeff Whiteaker Member Username: Jeff_whiteaker Post Number: 387 Registered: 10-2004 |
I always saw the circumstances surrounding the recording of Rachel Worth as deliberately low key, or low pressure. I think there was a certain level of hesitance on their part, or a lack of assurance about whether or not the reunion would truly work. And maybe they sought to make it as comfortable and well, low key, of an experience as possible. Like, making a huge deal about it with big name producers and whatnot would add pressure, not to mention it would look bad had the reunion not had the warm and enthusiastic response that it got. Tentatively dipping their feet in the pool, so to speak. But that's all just conjecture. A lot of the motivation for going with Jackpot/Larry Crane could've been financial too. | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 482 Registered: 04-2005 |
And that's why the Go-Betweens were smarter than almost all other bands. They made a move that was simultaneously hip and cautious. Not a lot of people figure out how to do that. | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 645 Registered: 05-2005 |
Well observed and well responded you two, no detention after school, you may leave! | ||
| XY765 Member Username: Judge Post Number: 81 Registered: 01-2006 |
I think Cait O Riordan joined an old Dublin punk band that reformed a few years ago, called the Radiators (from Space), played a few small gigs and think they might have released an album.. | ||
| jerry hann Member Username: Jerry_h Post Number: 215 Registered: 07-2005 |
She has also played with the reformed Pogues a few years ago since splitting with Mr Costello, who is now married to Dianna Kraul the jazz singer. Spence you tease with gossip re EC!!! | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 520 Registered: 05-2005 |
An ex-Radiators musician also lectured me in college! | ||
| Geoff Holmes Member Username: Geoff Post Number: 171 Registered: 05-2005 |
Surely not the Radiators who were true idols of the bogans/hoons who sang Give me Head? Lindy Morrison AND Russell KIlbey work with a friend of mine at a Tafe in Sidderly about music. | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 522 Registered: 05-2005 |
Very different Radiators Geoff! The Irish version were punkish and actually quite good. One of them ended up in The Pogues. (Not the one who lectured me in college). | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 713 Registered: 05-2005 |
Phillip Chevron I do believe | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 523 Registered: 05-2005 |
Bonus points for Kevin! | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 880 Registered: 05-2005 |
The Lemonheads - The Lemonheads. Takes a good few listens but musically its only a few notches behind "Its A Shame About Ray", much better than anybody could have hoped. Vocally I would say its the best thing he has done, Evans voice has real character to it now. |