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     Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1157 Registered: 03-2006 |
http://www.time.com/time/2006/100albums/ No Elvis Costello? Actually, though they've left a lot out, I don't disagree too heatedly with much they've put in, with the exception of "Hotel California". The Eagles...what's the word I'm looking for...sucked. | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 875 Registered: 04-2005 |
Blech. Stupid list. Way too many comps. It's ridiculous that Elvis Presley comps in the '90s and '00s are getting picked as "best of decade" albums at the expense of newly created music. Also, attempting to pick something from all genres and naming every historically significant album ("The Chronic"? every Public Enemy album is a better rap album than that) is a mistake. TIME's music reviews have always been extremely suspect. And yeah, any best of list that includes the Eagles and Garth Brooks has no credibility, all other issues aside. | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1158 Registered: 03-2006 |
Yikes, didn't notice the Garth. His name and the word "best" should never be used in the same sentence. Also, when you're working within such an absurdly tight framework as "best 100 of all time", you shouldn't have multiple entries by a single artist, unless it's Dylan. | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 879 Registered: 04-2005 |
Yeah, two Radiohead albums? That's just reflexive critical laziness. Sorry, the buzz over "Kid A" died years ago (I'm willing to give them "OK Computer," though). Wake up, TIME. | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 972 Registered: 05-2005 |
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| Rob Brookman Member Username: Rob_b Post Number: 114 Registered: 08-2006 |
These lists always get dodgy once you move out of the 60s and 70s. Plus, Time's picks seem a little formulaic; it's like, "well, the 70s was punk, so we should save two slots for that, the 80s was rap, so the hip-hop crowd gets a couple..." And any list in which the Eagles get a mention and Gang of Four doesn't is definitely not to be trusted. | ||
| Rob Brookman Member Username: Rob_b Post Number: 115 Registered: 08-2006 |
It's also interesting that out of the five albums picked from the '00s that aren't compilations, three are hip-hop. | ||
| Elizabeth Robinson Member Username: Liz_the_new_listener Post Number: 30 Registered: 10-2006 |
I agree re 'Pet Sounds', 'Revolver', 'Sgt Pepper', 'In the Wee Small Hours' and even 'OK Computer'.... but I never heard of some of the albums on the list... In a fairer world, the Go-Bees would be on that list. | ||
| Elizabeth Robinson Member Username: Liz_the_new_listener Post Number: 31 Registered: 10-2006 |
And what's with all the compilations? I'd turn to Rolling Stone or Guitar Player for a more discriminating list, anyway!!!! | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 881 Registered: 05-2005 |
So much of that list sucks so bad. I did learn one interesting thing though: that Hank Williams never released an album. He was dead before the advent of albums. | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 1141 Registered: 05-2005 |
I'm normally a sucker for these lists, but this is just wrong. | ||
| Charles Coy Member Username: Coy Post Number: 14 Registered: 10-2006 |
...Ditto Liz... ....though Cure 'Head on the Door'...is sadly dismissed..and forever the optimist 'Rattlesnakes'..thinkin' of 'Perfect Skin'..perhaps should be included.. | ||
| Michael Bachman Member Username: Michael_bachman Post Number: 314 Registered: 01-2005 |
One of the worse Top 100 lists ever. Abbey Road doesn't belong and where is Forever Changes and Oddesey and Oracle from the 60's? | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1163 Registered: 03-2006 |
About half of them are, to me, ironclad, no bullshit, alltime great albums...a fourth are head scratchers and the remaining fourth are just wrong... Startlingly inept list for such a major magazine, even considering it's a news mag rather than a music one. Still, it doesn't seem as though they put a lot of thought into it. Makes you wonder about the rest of their coverage. | ||
| Rob Brookman Member Username: Rob_b Post Number: 117 Registered: 08-2006 |
I wonder how much thought they put into it, LK - it seems shewedly skewed to their readership, older folks who don't buy or listen to a lot music anymore beyond the odd Dylan or Stones release (i.e., not the folks who post here). There are enough classics on the list that some 50-year-old banker can congratulate himself on his good taste, and the new stuff isn't so daring that if he decides to take a chance on, say, PJ Harvey, he won't throw it against the wall after playing it. You're not going to find a "Double Nickles on a Dime" or a "Daydream Nation" nestled in the collections of many Time readers, I'd guess. | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 894 Registered: 04-2005 |
I don't know why TIME even bothers covering music. I agree, Rob--I don't think they put any time in it at all. The choices are so "conventional wisdom." They think they're being "daring" for not including Pink Floyd, because "Dark Side of the Moon" is a conventional-wisdom choice they left out. Oooh, outrageous! But the list wasn't meant for people like us, I suppose, so we're wasting our time getting all hot and bothered over it. | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 1145 Registered: 05-2005 |
Not particularly disagreeing with you Rob, but Slanted and Enchanted is in there. Daydream Nation is more of a mainstream rock album than Slanted is. Also, I reckon "he" might throw the Public Enemy and Dr Dre albums against that wall. Come to think of it if I was "he" there are lots in that list that would distress me for different reasons - Fleetwood Mac, U2,The Eagles, Bruuuce and Van The Man to name a few. | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 896 Registered: 04-2005 |
Umm, I'm not sure everyone would agree with the Daydream Nation is more of a mainstream rock album than Slanted and Enchanted. I would would say they're equally not mainstream rock albums. If anything, Slanted is just a lot more poorly recorded, so it sounds scrappier. | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 1146 Registered: 05-2005 |
Well we can agree to disagree Kurt | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1166 Registered: 03-2006 |
I think the Time list is just too disjointed and random to have any particular agenda, like "let's not offend the oldsters"...And, I may be naive, but I think Time has too much credibility to have such an underlying directive for their list (it's not like they're Fox news, or anything) - I think it's simple, honest cluelessness... I like your "people like us", Kurt. It makes us sound like, I dunno "hill folk"...what's the Forster song? "The River People"?.... | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 898 Registered: 04-2005 |
I think I meant "sad little trainspotters"...  | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1168 Registered: 03-2006 |
LOL. The truth hurts! | ||
| Rob Brookman Member Username: Rob_b Post Number: 120 Registered: 08-2006 |
I agree, LK, I don't think it was a directive from on high, but as a former magazine writer, I know from experience that you're aware of your audience. You do tend to write to them, sometimes. And Kevin, you're right, too. Pavement was a surprise. What I meant to say was there are very few small-label bands on the list, and I think small labels like SST or Merge or Matador have contributed more than their share of great albums in the last 20 years. | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1169 Registered: 03-2006 |
I see what you're saying Rob. It'd be nice to think there was any kind of unifying thought or theme to that hodge podge... Speaking of directives, I'm bummed that nobody picked up my reference to the memo from Fox that was leaked yesterday, which was in fact, a directive from on high. | ||
| Rob Brookman Member Username: Rob_b Post Number: 121 Registered: 08-2006 |
Nice, LK. Yeah, I'd say that memo was shocking, but nothing that oozes out of the Fox corporate mudpit much suprises anymore, you know? | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 886 Registered: 05-2005 |
Kevin, Daydream Nation was - before Dirty anyway - the most mainstream rock of Sonic Youth's albums, but it was not a mainstream rock album! Stop with the disingenuousness! Mainstream rock is Hootie & The Blowfish, Limp Bizkit, those Canadian twats whose name I happily can't recall etc. Sonic Youth is not a band that gets played on top 40 radio or has hits. | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 887 Registered: 05-2005 |
Kevin, I've just re-read your post and I aopologise. You were pretty much making the same point I just made above. All you said is that "Daydream Nation is more of a mainstream rock album than Slanted is". And in that you are 100% correct. I'm still glad I posted as I got to mention those Canadian twats whose name I still can't think of. Shouty singer bloke has hair that looks like a sheep. | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 888 Registered: 05-2005 |
I'm also sorry I accused you of disingenuousness, but, again, glad I could throw in a polysyllabic word there! | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 889 Registered: 05-2005 |
Kurt, you're going to get to 900 before me! | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1170 Registered: 03-2006 |
I love the phrase, "stop the disingenuousness" (good one, Padraig.That should be on bumper stickers). Gotta say - I agree with what I think the Kevinator was basically saying there - that there was plenty of stuff on that list to stupefy the "Dad Rock Contingent"... Canadian twats, huh? Can't think of who you're talking about, though I probably agree, Padraig. Not the Barenaked Ladies - I don't think the singer has sheeplike hair... | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 1149 Registered: 05-2005 |
ok,ok stop ganging up on me I didnt mean to say that Daydream or Slanted were mainstream albums, of course they arent. What I should have said was that Daydream was an easier, more accessible listen than Slanted. Its closer to a traditional rock album than Slanted is. FFS - attacked from 2 bloody continents tonight, or Shot By Both Sides as Mr Devoto might say. BTW, speaking of these two continents, I'm about 90% certain that I should be in Australia for the first 3 weeks in August 2007. So Padraig, we might have that Guinness yet. And its looking good odds I may have to visit the good ol' USA next spring for work purposes. A place called Lansing, which courtesy of Google I now know is capital of Michigan. I know thats light years away from LK and Randy but if Kurt or any others are close by maybe we could meet up and show me around. | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1171 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hey, you have plenty of notice - see if you can find a cheapo flight to the west coast from Lansing...that way you could touch base with Randy and I and...Kurt? Ok, Kurt is way the hell up there - you might need two flights... | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 1150 Registered: 05-2005 |
No need to apologise Padraig, and because I got distracted for 10 minutes or so mid post, I posted not knowing you had apologised!! | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 1151 Registered: 05-2005 |
LK, nothing finalised yet, the grapevine at work says that everybody in my area "might" need to go, however it may just be some us. And I would imagine it will be pretty much 90% work and sleep to get the job done as quickly(and therefore as cheaply) as possible, with maybe the odd few hours recreation if we are lucky. Dont think my skinflint company would stretch to paying for internal flights - although never say never. | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 902 Registered: 04-2005 |
Hmm...the 2007 North American Go-Betweens ConFab featuring special guest Kevin. Sounds kind of intriguing. And the funny thing is, an old friend of mine now lives in Lansing, so I could justify a trip there on a couple of levels. | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 903 Registered: 04-2005 |
And yes, Padraig, I beat you to 900, but I think it's safe to say you're going to pass me on the drive to 1000. If we both really concentrate, maybe we can catch Spence. | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 890 Registered: 05-2005 |
The wife of a friend of mine is from Lansing. It's not all that far from Chicago Kevin (relatively speaking). A couple of our regulars are Chicagoland area people. | ||
| Randy Adams Member Username: Randy_adams Post Number: 757 Registered: 03-2005 |
Jeez, I started reading in the middle of this thread and saw Kevin's "the grapevine at work says that everybody in my area 'might' need to go" and started thinking the worst. That made a trip to small town Michigan sound positively thrilling. I believe Michael Bachman is within some kind of distance of Lansing and Rob is in Chi-town. | ||
| Rob Brookman Member Username: Rob_b Post Number: 125 Registered: 08-2006 |
I'd make the trip. A bunch of beer-drinking music nuts - how could we not have a ball? I don't know Lansing at all, though, so I'd be as much a tourist as anyone. | ||
| jerry hann Member Username: Jerry_h Post Number: 315 Registered: 07-2005 |
I'm bored dig time with all these best ofs,form magazines etc. I do enjoys seeing what the go-bees board all like or think are great as it tends to be more eclectic interesting and better.Can't bring my self to even look at this. I did enjoy NME's best cds in 1989 or around that time | ||
| Matthias Treml Member Username: Matthias Post Number: 172 Registered: 05-2005 |
kevin, you are close to me if you come to Lansing. Perhaps we can have a pint then? | ||
| Randy Adams Member Username: Randy_adams Post Number: 761 Registered: 03-2005 |
I'm with Spence on this subject . . . . | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 1155 Registered: 05-2005 |
Hope so Matthias. Maybe there will be some good gigs on in Lansing during my stay(if it happens). Do any good bands pass through Lansing? | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 909 Registered: 04-2005 |
Kevin, keep us posted on the status of the Lansing thing next year. If you know it's a definite at some point and a bunch of the other U.S. GoBs fans can make it, I would book a ticket in a heartbeat. Other West Coasters, are you in...LK, Randy, Jeff, Allen? | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 1157 Registered: 05-2005 |
Sure Kurt, its tentatively looking like March next year - not the warmest time of the year in Lansing I would wager? LK would need 3 t shirts and 4 vests | ||
| Rob Brookman Member Username: Rob_b Post Number: 128 Registered: 08-2006 |
I'll kick in a down coat or two if LK would make the trip. | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1178 Registered: 03-2006 |
You got my number, Kev... I think we need to get you to the West Coast, man. We could make it worth your while - I'd buy you a fish taco and a pint of good, wussy CA microbrew, Randy could show you Hollywood, and Mr. Kurt "1000 Posts or Bust" Stephan knows all the happenin places in Seattle - he could take you, in fact, to the original Starbucks. Woo hoo! | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 1179 Registered: 03-2006 |
Rob, you should come out west, too. It's, like, 80 degrees today. Everybody's wearing shorts and flip flops... | ||
| Rob Brookman Member Username: Rob_b Post Number: 129 Registered: 08-2006 |
80 degrees? Really? Sounds v. nice, actually. It's in the low 40s here right now. Trying to erase the thought of shorts and flip flops from my mind, I'm gonna grab one of those aforementioned down jackets and walk the dogs. Not exactly California dreamin', is it? | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 1158 Registered: 05-2005 |
What about Cafe Nervosa Kurt? Now that would be worth the trip. Although I guess it doesnt exist, unlike Cheers Bar which apparently does. | ||
| Kurt Stephan Member Username: Slothbert Post Number: 916 Registered: 04-2005 |
Yeah, Seattle hasn't been so great lately. At least the rain has finally stopped for the last 24 hours after two weeks straight of wet, dreary days, but that just means it's getting wintery cold instead. Sometimes I miss California. Count your endless summer blessings, LK. I barely knew that was a Frasier reference, Kevin! I've watched the show maybe four times in my life. And guys, no one is drinking Starbucks coffee under my watch while they're in Seattle. I'll take you to Caffe Umbria instead, which is (literally) a stone's throw from my office. No kidding, I could hit it from my window. In fact, I just did! Oops, gotta run... | ||
| Michael Bachman Member Username: Michael_bachman Post Number: 315 Registered: 01-2005 |
Kevin, I am a hour and a half drive from Lansing. Keep us posted and we can have a gathering. | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 1166 Registered: 05-2005 |
Thanks Michael, its gathering pace! | ||
| Austin McLean Member Username: Bruegelpie Post Number: 31 Registered: 09-2004 |
Just came across this Lansing thread. I grew up in Lansing and now live about an hour’s drive away, so count me in. I can point out all the stores that sold GB records in days gone by (OK, not particularly thrilling, I know). Count me in too! Austin |