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     kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 1661 Registered: 05-2005 |
Looks like the end of an era for record shops in London, can only imagine its almost extinct out in the sticks. There is still one second hand shop in my area, but he is the only one for miles and miles. Well, I suppose they outlasted Tower Records but these guys are not chains, they are real music lovers. Rare groove shops facing extinction By Robert Plummer Business reporter, BBC News In the heart of London's record-collecting district, more and more small shops are pulling down their shutters for the last time. After 15 years of trading, Mister CD in Soho's Berwick Street is the latest store to disappear - another victim of music downloads, internet shopping and CD price wars. "I'm just waiting for a lawyer to call about the lease," says owner David Killington. "I'll probably be here another month, but after that, I've had enough. I can't manage any more." Mister CD's imminent closure marks another chapter in the decline of what used to be renowned as the street with the greatest concentration of record shops in London. Collectors from all over the world flocked to Berwick Street to look for vinyl rarities in its second-hand shops, while others were tempted by the chance to snap up new CDs at low prices. The street was so well known as a haven for music fans that it even featured on the cover of one of the UK's all-time best-selling albums - (What's The Story) Morning Glory? by Oasis. But in the past six months, four shops in the area have already called it a day, while others face an uncertain future. "People over 35 are still buying CDs, but no-one under 35 is," says Mr Killington. "We're just going the way of technology. "It's the same as photo developing. Why pay for photo developing when you can print your own photos at home? Why buy CDs when you can burn your own CDs at home? "It's like a pub. Once the old drinkers die off, if you don't get a new crowd of young drinkers, your pub dies too." Across the street from Mister CD, one of London's best sources of rare second-hand LPs and CDs used to reign supreme. At its height, Reckless Records had two branches in Berwick Street, as well as further outlets in Islington and Camden. But as trade declined, the business shrank, until it went into liquidation at the end of January. Zafar Chowdhry spent 18 years working for Reckless as a soul and dance music specialist. He says sales began falling in the wake of the 11 September 2001 attacks on the US, which damaged tourism. "After that, the digital age started affecting us, eBay too. Instead of people coming in to us, they were selling things privately or they were downloading things. "The strength of the pound made a difference. We used to get so many Japanese tourists and they stopped coming. "Hip hop used to be king: we used to be able to sell it all the time. But it's incredible how records we used to sell for £20 a time now go for about £3 to £4. "A lot of people that grew up with the records have got older and their priorities have changed, or they already had those records. The newer generation just wasn't interested in that kind of thing or the soul, jazz, jazz-funk kind of music." Wider changes in the music industry have also worked against the business model of second-hand record shops. Many dealers used to rely on a steady flow of promotional copies of new releases, sold to them by music journalists and DJs in defiance of the "Not For Resale" warning stamped on each one. But these days, many record labels no longer provide review copies for the music press and send out MP3 files instead. "Record companies would have a band they would push. They would put out a lot of promos and send them out to as many DJs as they could," says Mr Chowdhry. "We used to get so many promos of some records that we would end up turning them down. The companies just stopped doing it because it was obviously counter-productive. "Many DJs would sell the records on to us and we would get them a month or two before the release date. We used to get a lot of Italians and Americans looking for the promos and sending them home. "We had one guy from Switzerland who would come in every Tuesday - sometimes we would take £300 to £400 from this guy. But by the end, it would be more like £20 and sometimes he wouldn't buy anything at all, because there was nothing there any more." Other shops that have closed down recently include CD City in Berwick Street and Steve's Sounds in nearby Newport Court. Both offered new CDs at bargain prices, until cut-price competition from supermarkets and rent hikes by landlords squeezed them out. But it's not all bad news for music lovers. As that Oasis album cover from 1995 shows, the biggest shop in Berwick Street used to be owned by Nottingham-based Selectadisc. In September 2005, Selectadisc abandoned its London store - but neighbouring independent store Sister Ray took over the premises, with owners Neil Brown and Phil Barton vowing not to let "an awful coffee shop" gain a foothold instead. Further down and round the corner, in nearby Broadwick Street, eclectic dance music outlet Sounds of the Universe still thrives, with its own Soul Jazz label releasing everything from Brazilian post-punk to compilations of jungle and dubstep. Out in the suburbs, too, the picture is brighter. Beanos of Croydon, once the country's biggest second-hand record shop, spent several months on the brink of complete shutdown, as reported by the BBC News website in December 2006. Now, however, proprietor David Lashmar is preparing to unveil a new idea, Beanos Marketplace. On the old store's first and second floors, an indoor market of small-scale traders will operate from individual stalls, while a slimmed-down Beanos concentrates on true collectors' rarities on the ground floor. "We're trying to reinvent ourselves in the current climate," says Mr Lashmar. "Our CD sales have disappeared in the last 18 months, to downloads, and the old stalwarts have bubbled to the top again. "We're selling vinyl, we're selling real records again, and we're selling our CDs for much less than we used to. "The very rare records will always continue to sell and there's a huge demand now worldwide for those. "I'm really scared about Berwick Street because I use it as a barometer of the business, with huge respect. It was a great area and it is dissolving in front of my eyes at the moment. That scares me and I don't want to copy whatever mistakes have been made in that area." Clearly life is not about to get any easier for record shops. Back at Mister CD, David Killington jokingly suggests that record dealers should be protected in the same way as listed buildings. "We should be listed - not the buildings, but the people," he says. "Because once we're gone, there ain't gonna be anyone new." | ||
| Jeff Whiteaker Member Username: Jeff_whiteaker Post Number: 597 Registered: 10-2004 |
Interesting and pretty sad. MP3s have been a great way to hear music fast and conveniently, but as a "product," I find them totally unsatisfying. I still prefer to have some actual, physical cover-art, and I loathe the idea of incoporating my computer (or some mp3 listening device) into my stereo at home. So, I still prefer buying vinyl (and CDs) from record stores. Plus, I just love the simple act of flipping through racks of vinyl. The fact that record stores are gradually becoming a dying breed is distressing. Luckily, both Amoeba locations in the Bay Area still seem to be doing okay, not to mention a handful of other, smaller independently owned record stores. However, the used vinyl section in the Berkeley Amoeba has been noticably shrinking over the past year or so. I know of a few small record shops who have had to rely on selling LPs on ebay to stay afloat. A friend of mine who works at one such store told me that the vast majority of their revenue comes from online sales, but even that isn't quite as steady as they'd like. | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 1662 Registered: 05-2005 |
"and I loathe the idea of incoporating my computer (or some mp3 listening device) into my stereo at home" Jeff, works a treat for me. In fact I now barely notice the difference when switching between mp3, CD and vinyl. Although possibly its because my outboard soundblaster device for playing mp3s through my stereo cost about £100, an inbuilt run of the mill pc soundcard has its limitations. | ||
| Randy Adams Member Username: Randy_adams Post Number: 1255 Registered: 03-2005 |
Yeah, this is a sad article. I'm sure we all have our memories of finally getting our grips on something bizarrely rare, oftentimes in a weird location. As recently as about 2 years ago I went into a little indie store while visiting my folks in my hometown. The shop had only vinyl. The owner didn't really know all that much about newer(ish) music and Fresno was never known for having interesting records but I'll be damned if he didn't have a mint condition of the Triffids' "Raining Pleasure" mini-album for about $7. That's a pre-BSD release. I bought it, of course. It's the geeky materialist in me that makes me want to have the physical embodiment of a record. It's especially great to have something that I know won't be found in very many people's houses. Oh well, let's see if I can find a nice pteradactyl for dinner. | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 1548 Registered: 05-2005 |
As one of those tourists who used to fly from Dublin to London four times a year to shop in Berwick St that article makes me very sad. I just used to love spending a day geeking there in all the different shops. I got In Your Bright Ray in Mister CD for 5 pounds the week it came out. And it was a new copy too, not a promo. It was 15 pounds around the corner in Oxford St. In more recent visits there I had a bit more money and went to a nice Indian restaurant on the street for lunch and to examine my purchases. (Instead of going to a fast food joint because that was all I could afford after spending all my money on records). Damn I'll miss record shops when they're all gone. | ||
| Catherine Vaughan Member Username: Catherine Post Number: 41 Registered: 05-2005 |
I've never downloaded in my life. I like to see my music aswell as hear it.. While I buy on the internet on a regular basis, I don't get the same buzz as when I walk into a record shop, spending a good hour flicking through rack after rack of CDs and LPs. There are three record shops in my town - two of which don't count - the staff know NOTHING about music, they might aswell be working in a donut shop. The third is my little haven. The staff know their stuff, and actually like music.. On more than one occasion I've been asked if I'd like a trolley... There's a small second-hand bookshop which has a music section, where I've found some absolute gems. My idea of heaven would be to work in a second-hand record shop. I could spend all day listening and talking about music.. (The literary character I most identify with - Rob Gordon from High Fidelity!) For me, record shops are part of the music. I can remember why and where I bought virtually every CD/LP I own. Pretty soon every memory will be the same: At home in my slippers, while I'm waiting for the kettle to boil... | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 1551 Registered: 05-2005 |
Those of us who love record shops surely also love David Axelrod? I've posted a 2002 article/interview I did with him at www.myspace.com/padraigcollins In it is the only time I've ever referred to myself as "this writer". | ||
| Rob Brookman Member Username: Rob_b Post Number: 686 Registered: 08-2006 |
Kevin, you seems to be pretty comfortable with the new order, seemingly as much as anyone here. So do you see any difference between music you download (and I'm talking purchased music here) and music you buy in physical format? I do, but I realize that might be a combination of habit, temperment and nostalgia. To me, the unbiquity of downloadable music sort of commodifies it, while walking to the CD store, coming home and freeing the CD from the shrinkwrap somehow endows the album with a little meaning, a little legitimacy, if you know what I mean. The effort I make (however small) to buy the physical item and get it home makes it a little more special for me than just hitting "download now" in iTunes. To someone in their teens or 20s - or even someone older who's made the mental transition - maybe music's just as valuable no matter how it arrives. Or maybe we've reached the point where recorded music simply has less value because it's so plentiful and close at hand. Thoughts, downloaders? Oh, by the way, Reckless Records - mentioned in the article above - is alive and well here in Chicago. At least it's alive. Any of y'all visit and I'll arrange a viewing. | ||
| XY765 Member Username: Judge Post Number: 271 Registered: 01-2006 |
I have the same argument/discussion with a friend. I buy all my new releases online, second hand vinyl in record shops. I stopped buying new releases in shops years ago as I refuse to spend an extra €5 each and every time. There's a speciality/indie shop in Dublin that does have a reasonably good selection but you pay an extra €2-3 for the privilege and the staff can be quite full of themselves which is always a big turn-off. There's usually a little queue of people at the counter name-dropping bands as well which is kinda funny......I have no problem naming this crowd (Road Records) as I had a big argument with them about two years ago. My girlfriend had just bought me the Galaxie 500 DVD which I already had. I went back to them about 45 minutes after she had bought it to get a refund and they wouldn't give me the money back, just a credit note. And I'd been in to them two days previous to this after ordering a CD. Needless to say I haven't returned and about three of my friends have followed suit. | ||
| Hugh Nimmo Member Username: Hugh_nimmo Post Number: 39 Registered: 03-2007 |
Rob, Reckless Records in Chicago may be alive but if my experience is anything to go by then all is not well. I placed an order for two in-stock used discs on Sunday 10 June, 2007, and, with the exception of the confirmation e-mail, I have heard nothing since. My credit card has not been debited ( as of 17 June ) and they are not responding to my requests for updates. | ||
| Jeff Whiteaker Member Username: Jeff_whiteaker Post Number: 598 Registered: 10-2004 |
Rob, Reckless Records' San Francisco, Haight St. branch died about 8 years ago. Back in the 80s, Reckless' tiny shop was *the* coolest record store in SF. If you were looking for those ultra-rare import records by whomever, Reckless was usually the place to go. But in '97, when Amoeba opened up its second shop a few blocks up Haight, it surpassed Reckless in every way imaginable. Reckless closed shop about a year later, along with at least four other smaller record shops in the area. I was sad to see some of these smaller stores close, but it was difficult to complain too much since Amoeba is a genuinely good (albeit, much larger) store. | ||
| Michael Bachman Member Username: Michael_bachman Post Number: 663 Registered: 01-2005 |
Hugh, Is Reckless Records just down the street from The Double Door? I went to the record store there back in October of 2002 prior to seeing The Soft Boys at the DD. | ||
| Hugh Nimmo Member Username: Hugh_nimmo Post Number: 40 Registered: 03-2007 |
Michael, I reside in the U.K. ( Scotland ) and have never had the pleasure of visiting Chicago so I am not familiar with the locations of their stores. | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 1663 Registered: 05-2005 |
Rob, must admit I still prefer to buy physical CDs or vinyl, but downloading for me is just so damn handy. Its a great way to get music almost instantaneously, eg the other night I downloaded the Apples In Stereo album (from Napster) that people had been talking about on here, took all of 10 minutes to download. Napster is a great sampling mechanism for me, if I read or hear about a new album I jump straight on to Napster and download it, then if I like it enough I go and buy it on CD. Pre Napster I bought so many CDs that were just rubbish, nowhere near as good as the reviewers led you to believe, or as good as the solitary track (usually a single) that you had heard on the radio. Sometimes I play albums I got from Napster quite frequently over a period of a couple of weeks and then either tire of them, or discard them to listen to even more new stuff - the good thing about this is I am not out of pocket for these discarded albums apart from the £9.99 per month subscription. For a music junkie like me, Napster is a godsend, although I would never ever get uppity about it to people who frown on it, because I know how precious record buying is for people like us and fully understand how some people would think its not the real deal. | ||
| Rob Brookman Member Username: Rob_b Post Number: 687 Registered: 08-2006 |
Hugh, I haven't actually been to Reckless in a month (even though it's in my neighboorhood and - yes, Michael - right down from the Double Door) but last time I was there nothing looked amiss. I'm heading down that way for a meeting tomorrow. I'll poke my head in and see what's up and tell 'em they've got an angry Scottsman on their hands! And Kevin, that's interesting. I personally have no problem at all with legal downloading, but I still can't bring myself to make it a regular thing. Maybe it's that buying an album on iTunes isn't a whole lot cheaper than buying the genuine article, but more likely I'm just into tangiblity. I like the Napster model, though - like you say, it's cheap enough that if you like something you can afford to go buy it on CD. That doesn't work with iTunes and the 99 cent song. | ||
| XY765 Member Username: Judge Post Number: 274 Registered: 01-2006 |
I got a mint copy of Comes a Time by Neil Young on vinyl in that Reckless Record store on Haight St for $5 about years ago, sad to hear of its demise. | ||
| Little Keith Member Username: Manosludge Post Number: 2042 Registered: 03-2006 |
Though I hate to face reality, I'm sometime capapable of looking it squarely in the eyeballs, despite what a certain group of my detractors (they know who they are and will pay soon. Three words: flaming dog poop) and the voices in my head say. But, the simple reality is record stores, unfortunately, are going away and quickly. When you look at the statistics, the way disc sales have gone down over the last year and the number of downloads that occur everday, something on the order of a billion, it's just staggering. So, I'm determined to make the best of it. I'd always, if it's an artist I care about, rather have the artifact, like you Rob, particularly because the cost difference doesn't really make it all that cost-effective to purchase the downloaded version. But, there are certain joys to be had from the downloading world. Like the sheer availability and accessibility. Like Kevin points out, you can download anything you read about in sheer minutes, actually quicker in most cases than driving to the store and purchasing it. And, there're those great blogs, like that Nargo the Bart one Rob posted the link to, that offer up all kinds of great, hard to find, live stuff you never would've had access to in the past. So, I'm determined to make the best of it, but yeah, hang your head, mourn for a little while, the demise of the record store. There'll probably always be an Amoeba or two, you'll probably always be able to order CDs online, but your basic, corner record stores are going and they ain't coming back. | ||
| Jerry Clark Member Username: Jerry Post Number: 662 Registered: 08-2004 |
I've got a case of the used-ta's. Used-ta go to Berwick Street every fortnight for Reckless, Sister Ray & Selectadisc. Used-ta believe in the whole package: lyrics, sleeves, inserts etc. But I can take it or leave it these days. The world's changed as have my circumstances. The best thing about the 2nd hand shops is looking for something specific, not finding it, but still coming home like a Crackerjack contestant, bags of goodies you didn't even know you wanted. As soon as I looked on ebay, eil.com etc it was never going to be the same again. Although there is still the opportunity for stumbling on items you didn't know existed. It surely isn't quite the end. Soho must have a crippling rent-rate it's surprising these shops lasted as long as they did. In fact Selectadisc had a huge floor-space with relatively few records & seemingly more staff than customers. I always wondered how they made money. Maybe more localized shops or markets will take up the mantle. "I used to care but things have changed" | ||
| Jeff Whiteaker Member Username: Jeff_whiteaker Post Number: 599 Registered: 10-2004 |
Yeah, I'm trying to come to grips with the fact that downloading *is* going to render record stores extinct at some point down the road. On a positive note, downloading does have its advantages. Apart from those of convenience, perhaps it's easier on the environment, since that means fewer materials needed for cover-art (since there is none), and one doesn't have to do any driving. However, there is something to be said for just getting outside and heading to the record store. I mean, you get to see actual, living, breathing people, and maybe even interact with them! What a concept! I'm kind of joking, obviously, because record stores clearly aren't the only excuse to get out and explore one's surroundings! But my point is, the simple act of just going to the record store is a nice little out-of-the-house diversion. I feel like the last thing people need is yet another excuse to just stay at home. And I do love being able to walk down Telegraph Ave. in Berkeley when going to the Amoeba there. It provides an endlessly facsinating setting for people-watching. Plus, physically hunting for records by hand in the shop is much more satisfying than on a screen with a mouse. I reckon a store like Amoeba will hold out for a while yet, but it'll be sad when one of my favorite past-times - my weekly excursion to the record store - goes away. | ||
| Jeff Whiteaker Member Username: Jeff_whiteaker Post Number: 600 Registered: 10-2004 |
Oh, and a question for the LA folks: have the record stores been disappearing down there? I'm sure Amoeba is doing okay, but last time I spent any meaningful time in LA, which was about 7 years ago, I went to at least 4 excellent shops which were all treasure troves of hard-to-find vinyl. A few in particular, were just amazing. I mean, these places had LPs that you couldn't even hope to see up here in the Bay. Atomic records in Burbank is the only name I remember. There were a few on Melrose too. I just wonder if Amoeba and/or the internet has driven these places out of business. | ||
| Hugh Nimmo Member Username: Hugh_nimmo Post Number: 41 Registered: 03-2007 |
Rob, many thanks for the kind offer but there is no need as I received a reply a few hours ago stating that they will ship the order today. | ||
| Rob Brookman Member Username: Rob_b Post Number: 688 Registered: 08-2006 |
That's terrific, Hugh. I would've been mighty displeased if those slackers down at Reckless impugned Chicago's work ethic in the eyes of the record-buying world. I am glad to hear they're still there. Given their location - smack in the middle of hipsterville (or "Guyville," as Liz Phair dubbed Wicker Park) - I'd be shocked to see them go under. | ||
| Randy Adams Member Username: Randy_adams Post Number: 1258 Registered: 03-2005 |
Hi Jeff. Yes, stores down here are disappearing too. One of the main Melrose stores, Aron's Records, moved conveniently close to me at least ten years ago but I confess I cut down going to them so much when alternatives like amazon came around. It closed its doors after Amoeba opened up; there was no way it could compete. I've never been to Atomic. I used to go to a super little store in Pasadena called Pooh Bah's. It was worth the 15 mile one-way drive. I haven't had the heart to check if it's still around. I don't know about Rhino in Westwood either; again, I haven't had the heart to check but they were well past their best quite a long time ago. My impression is that some of the stores are surviving by working with Amazon or selling on eBay; in fact a huge proportion of what I buy from Amazon comes from Amazon Marketplace and not the official site. I AM amused at the notion of human interaction in record stores. With the conspicuous exception of Pooh Bah's in Pasadena, I never found any of the record stores to be decent places to talk to people. They were always a bunch of record junkies jonesing for their fix, merely tolerating each other's presence. I find Amoeba is still pretty much that way now. | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 1552 Registered: 05-2005 |
XYZ, I feel exactly as you do about Road. I went in there last December, had a quick look and just thought, yeah, the prices are just as expensive as they ever were. I was sickened about 10 years ago after paying 15 pounds in there for Shack's HMS Fable album and then seeing it round the corner in Tower for 12 pounds. Luckily it is an awesome album though. (The idea of paying the equivalent of 15 pounds for an album now is just ludicrous to me). I've bought only a handful of things there since. I think the last thing was a 7" split single by two Dublin bands that nowhere else seemed to be selling. | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 1694 Registered: 05-2005 |
What a shame this is, even the record shop equivalent of Tescos is now shutting, the Harrods such as Virgin, HMV etc must be worried. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6252 300.stm | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 1631 Registered: 05-2005 |
Yep, big shamem Fopp were nice people. Last of the great bastions of what used to be known as 'your local record store'. | ||
| Wilson Davey Member Username: Wilson Post Number: 82 Registered: 05-2005 |
In 1970's Sheffield we had a Virgin records shop. It was one of the very early ones with the Girly long hair label. It reeked of patchouli OUTSIDE the shop, we used to press aour faces to the window as youngsters, we never went in. The windows had prog lp covers nestling next to Dr Feelgood etc. It looked very dark in there. Men in army surplus great coats and long hair would come out nodding and talking in low voices, We viewed it as some kind of "adult" shop with sexual connatations probably derived from the name of the shop. We knew they sold records, but what else ? This was the place in the glory days of TOTP and 45 rpm buying schoolkids when the queue went right around the building before the shop opened on the day Slade released the single Far far away... | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 1568 Registered: 05-2005 |
Sorry to hear about that; I bought a lot of stuff over the years in their Glasgow shop. I feel even sorrier for the staff who haven't been paid. One of the $10 CD shops in Sydney's Pitt St closed the other day. The other one is owned by FOPP (though it's not called FOPP) so presumably its days are numbered too. HMV on Pitt St is closing at the end of August. I'm looking forward to that closing down sale! It's the end of days for those of us who love record shops. | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 1635 Registered: 05-2005 |
Marketing is now the power behind films, and now music. How sad. However, non advertising/marketning people are learning that marketing works, look at MySpace. | ||
| Catherine Vaughan Member Username: Catherine Post Number: 60 Registered: 05-2005 |
FOPP will be a big loss. I used to go to the Edinburgh Festival every year with my ex, and one of the highlights of the trip was raiding FOPP, often needing two trips to pick up all the music/books/DVDs I decided I "needed". (Lowlight was paying the excess baggage charges on the flight home!) Hopefully they'll do the right thing and pay up what's due to the staff | ||
| kevin Member Username: Kevin Post Number: 1741 Registered: 05-2005 |
Hooray!! http://www.roughtrade.com/site/content.l asso?page=east.html | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 1666 Registered: 05-2005 |
Y'know, I sometimes reflect on how excited I used to get, walking into record shops to buy the new release of my favourite artists. I remember walking into HMV, when it was a record shop to buy Feline by The Stranglers. I was dead excited, and had to have the free Ltd 7''. Fom the smell of the heating system, to the touch of the shrink wrap and the peeling off of the £3.49 HMV sticker, the whole process was remarkable, and to this day I can remember the smell, the feeling, everything. What a shame those days are gone. PS Same for Virgin in Birmingham too. | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 1667 Registered: 05-2005 |
I worked as an assistant manager at Virgin, '87/'88. The smaller shops wer co-owned with a prog rocker lover, Roger Ames. It was nice enough, the pay was crap, but I enjoyed it, especially the deleviries from The Cartel distribution chain. Anyhow, early in '88 Branson and Ames decided to sell to WH Smith who owned Our Price. Me along with the staff helped the builders refit the whole shop, when it was ready for re-opening under the new owner, our wages went up which was great, however I knew the record shop or record shops as we knew them were on the way out when I saw that they had installed a bloody carousel selling cartoon ties and mugs! | ||
| Michael Bachman Member Username: Michael_bachman Post Number: 707 Registered: 01-2005 |
We had the Harmony House chain in the metro Detroit area. They went from 1 store in the 60's to about 3-4 dozen or so by the late 90's. They are all gone now. I bought hundreds of vinyl lp's and cd's from them, concert tickets, blanks, etc. |