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     Carsten Rackow Member Username: Dj_shark Post Number: 1 Registered: 03-2005 |
This is a subject for serious fans and collectors of records by the GO-BETWEENS. The "mystery" about the GO-BETWEENS - New Zealand release "Cattle and cane" 7" on Stunn records whether it has got a picture sleeve or maybe not hasn't been unveiled yet. I have seen it with a red or purple plain sleeve only. I therefore called for professional help and finally got in touch with Jonathan Turner(director from the official GO-BETWEENS web site ?). Jonathan told me that the Oz "Cattle and cane" he has seen had sleeves, same as the UK, and the NZ "pressing" is seemingly the same record(BFA 952), perhaps with a "NZ" rather than an "Oz" emblazoned somewhere, so he would be very surprised if they came without a sleeve. Notwithstanding the above, he doesn't think he has seen, or at any rate noticed, a NZ "Cattle and cane" before, so perhaps this was a limited / test / aborted pressing? But if it's purporting to be a commercial release, then surely in 1983 it would have at least a stock record company sleeve? Jonathan got in touch with the handful of people who he thought might know about the release - the only useful reply was the one that he forwarded to me, so it seems that not many people know about it. Someone might know more - Jonathan Turner and myself have no contacts in New Zealand but maybe someone from there or even a member from the GO-BETWEENS reads it on this web site. If you've got more news to be revealed (maybe someone is offering the record with picture sleeve somewhere) about the New Zealand release "Cattle and cane" 7" on Stunn records I'd be very grateful to be informed about it. | ||
| rlangston Unregistered guest |
never seen a nz release of cattle and cane and i have been searching record bins here for 15 years or so for go-betweens records. | ||
| Carsten Rackow Member Username: Dj_shark Post Number: 2 Registered: 03-2005 |
The item has recently been offered in Australia again (but unfortunately without a picture sleeve). To show you I state a link you could check. http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:cEWX4le4mEoJ:www.rarerecords.com.au/7 The record does exist !!! | ||
| nz significa Unregistered guest |
Personally, I don't give a toss about different pressings of records, especially if the art work is the same. Cattle and cane was released on Rough Trade and also by Stunn in Australia and that's about it, as far as I know. I can't imagine a seperate pressing for the bubble on the arse of Australia that is New Zealand - it's surely the same (Stunn) record. There was different artwork for the Australian releases of 'I need two heads' and 'Spring rain', but that's as far as it goes unless you're into ..... | ||
| The original Michael Unregistered guest |
Having been to both Australia and New Zealand, I would definitely call Australia the bubble on the arse of New Zealand, to be honest. | ||
| Donat Member Username: Donat Post Number: 24 Registered: 11-2004 |
$50 for Cattle & Cane without a picture sleeve? That's lunacy. | ||
| david swift Member Username: Daveswift Post Number: 2 Registered: 04-2005 |
I can sort-of settle this. I bought Cattle and Cane in an EMI shop in Christchurch NZ the week it came out. From 1978-1983 I bought EVERY half-decent 7in released in New Zealand. You had to buy the day you saw it in the rack or you would never see it again. Pic sleeve or even plain 45s by cool foreign acts like PiL, Ramones, Damned, Jam, Teardrop Explodes, Bunnymen, Buzzcocks, etc had nationwide pressings of 500 only. Cattle and Cane DID come in a picture sleeve. Stunn 7inch releases in NZ DID come marked ''made in NZ'' on the label - which is why such items as The Cure's A Forest and the Boys Don't Cry/Jumping Someone Else's Train EP (yes, EP) were so highly sought after. I say were because I am out of the loop on record collecting these days. But in the 1980s I even funded plane flights between London and Christchurch by buying/selling/trading vinyl rarities. Gary Numan once paid for a trip home, but I won't go into that. I am not absolutely certain right now that the Cattle and Cane PICTURE SLEEVE had an NZ imprint, but the Stunn sleeves almost always did so. But I can check. All my singles from that era are now safely in my current house in Newcastle, England, and I will report back. I'm certain I never sold that Cattle and Cane 7in. | ||
| Robert Vickers Unregistered guest |
David Swift the writer? | ||
| david swift Member Username: Daveswift Post Number: 3 Registered: 04-2005 |
once upon a time .. yes. Hello Robert! | ||
| Carsten Rackow Member Username: Dj_shark Post Number: 3 Registered: 03-2005 |
Hello David, it would be very nice indeed you could report back if the NZ "Cattle and Cane" picture sleeve had an NZ imprint as the Stunn sleeves from other bands I've seen so far always did so,too. The OZ "Cattle and Cane" has been offered some days ago on eBay with a sleeve same as the UK. Important questions: Does the sleeve of the NZ pressing look different to the above ones or not ? Maybe differently coloured ? I hope you didn't sell that Cattle and Cane 7inch. | ||
| Richard Lim Member Username: Re17 Post Number: 3 Registered: 05-2005 |
Hi Robert. This is off-topic, but I still think your bass line on "Head Full of Steam" is one of the greatest ever bits of arranging in the Go-Betweens' history! Good to see you pervading this forum - it's about time you did another guest spot with the band, and over on this side of the pond. Richard :-) | ||
| fsh Member Username: Fsh Post Number: 5 Registered: 05-2005 |
Here's some nonsense from http://www.nstop.com/gbs/ that might help. Cntl + C "Cattle and Cane b/w "Heaven Says" (Rough Trade, UK) 7": RT 124 1983 "Cattle and Cane" b/w "Heaven Says" (Stunn, NZ) 7": BFA 952 1983 comments: A-side taken from Before Hollywood backed with a non-album track. New Zealand release is virtually identical. Also released as an Australian promo on Rough Trade (RT ANZ 007) backed with "Man O' Sand to Girl O' Sea" in a plain sleeve. | ||
| fsh Member Username: Fsh Post Number: 6 Registered: 05-2005 |
I forgot to mention, Jen Matson has a nice page with all the sleeve covers here: http://www.nstop.com/gbs/pics.html | ||
| Guy Ewald Member Username: Guy_ewald Post Number: 18 Registered: 02-2005 |
I have an OZ 'Cattle And Cane' single. As a music fan I don't collect different pressings or any of that, but I would guess the UK sleeves would look or "feel" a bit different than the one I have. The OZ sleeve is printed on light cardboard stock, brown on the inside, white finish for printing on the outside. It's lighter card stock than an LP sleeve, but is heavier than a typical single sleeve and has a rough (but nice) feel. The quality of the printing isn't great and the sleeve has faded noticeably compared with other sleeves of the era... if that helps any of the diehard collectors among us. | ||
| Robert Vickers Member Username: Robert_vickers Post Number: 2 Registered: 05-2005 |
Thank you Richard... |