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     Jeff Whiteaker Member Username: Jeff_whiteaker Post Number: 1701 Registered: 10-2004 |
So, I know a few of you had asked about when the 4 recently remastered Smiths albums would see release, and the answer is right now. But the catch is that at the moment, they're only being released on vinyl: http://www.rhino.co.uk/thesmiths,product list.htm (click the "vinyl" tab, to the right of the "CDs" tab). Vinyl diehards seem to be few and far between on this msg. board, so these may only be of interest to me. However, they're pretty pricey (although I read somewhere they'll see a domestic US release in August). Each album does come with a url to obtain the full contents in mp3 format. I expect deluxe CD reissues will probably appear at some point. For what it's worth, I've heard from a couple sources that Rhino has done a pretty good job with these, though. It's pleasantly perverse that they would put these out on vinyl first. | ||
| skulldisco Member Username: Skulldisco Post Number: 342 Registered: 10-2008 |
Jeff, I still buy and play vinyl, although very rarely do both compared to CDs. The last vinyl I bought was the first 2 Joy Division albums when they were reissued (last year??), and before that it was a dozen or so reggae albums over a 3 or 4 year period - vinyl is the way reggae should be heard!! I took my deck in to get fixed on Tuesday, one of the wires that outputs the sound had got detached and my feeble efforts at patching up bore no fruit. The deck cost me £800 so I really should use it more. Dont think I'll bother with The Smiths reissues on vinyl or CD , I always thought their albums sounded poorly recorded anyway so cant see these being a massive improvement. | ||
| Jeff Whiteaker Member Username: Jeff_whiteaker Post Number: 1702 Registered: 10-2004 |
Kev, yeah, I suspect that with these remasters they're taking the "faithful to the originals" approach. There's definitely something to be said for that, especially in this era violently compressed and "brickwalled" remastering. But I imagine anyone with original UK Rough Trade pressings need not bother with these. And yeah, in my opinion, at least the first two albums weren't recorded very well to begin with and would probably require a remix to improve them. But I have always quite liked the sound of Strangeways. It's got a beefier, more muscular sound but still a lot of lushness and detail. And a lot of their 12" singles sound heavenly. I still mostly listen to vinyl (and probably always will). It almost always sounds ever so slightly better than CDs or digital files when I a/b them. But I'm slowly amassing more and more albums in digital format that are impossible to find and long out of print. | ||
| XY765 Member Username: Judge Post Number: 604 Registered: 01-2006 |
Jeff I have all the Smith's albums and most 12"s on vinyl so wouldn't see the need really to get them again, re-mastered or not. I still buy a fair amount of vinyl, more so over the last two years. Most of my old stuff, Dylan, Young, Beatles is all on vinyl. I liike getting 7" reords as well. Don't get the chance to peruse the second hand stores so much these days and my time listening to vinyl is much reduced with the kids. If a new realease of a band I really like has a CD/mp3 download to go with the vinyl then I'll definitely buy the vinyl. In fact my last two purchases and the three albums I'm waiting to receive in the post are all vinyl. Nothing beats the feel of a vinyl record with the associated packaging/artwork... | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 3281 Registered: 05-2005 |
I think I'll buy the cd remasters for sure, maybe extras on them? if not i'll still buy them, i remember the first del amitri album, which is great, when that was remastered, i heard literally a new album, which was the same album only 100 times better, due to a truly wonderful mastering person! the attention's in the detail!!!!!! | ||
| skulldisco Member Username: Skulldisco Post Number: 344 Registered: 10-2008 |
sometimes the remastered albums are a revelation spence, sometimes they are a total rip off with no massive improvement. I have found the older the album the better the improvement which is a no brainer i suppose. the stones albums like beggars banquet and let it bleed, the first 4 neil young albums that rhino have just reissued really benefitfrom a remaster. i thought the magazine albums that were reissued recently were only marginally better but then again their albums "sounded" great in the first place. the deluxe reissues of murmur and reckoning sound amazing to these ears. its also important to not get tricked into thinking a remaster that has only got louder is actually better sounding, its not. | ||
| Michael Bachman Member Username: Michael_bachman Post Number: 1547 Registered: 01-2005 |
Time to get my Dual 701 turntable repaired!!! | ||
| XY765 Member Username: Judge Post Number: 606 Registered: 01-2006 |
Funny ye mention this, I was reading about the same thing a few nights ago. It was about how the new Wilco album vinyl and CD albums were mastered differently nad mainly that the Wilco CD was too loud....sound familiar? | ||
| Jeff Whiteaker Member Username: Jeff_whiteaker Post Number: 1710 Registered: 10-2004 |
I wonder, are most people just not bothered by excessively loud CD mastering? Is it only hardcore music geeks and audiophiles who find it offensive and just wrong? | ||
| Andrew Kerr Member Username: Andrew_k Post Number: 471 Registered: 04-2005 |
Jeff, Their ears are probably already wrecked by having grown up accustomed to that level and harshness of sound. Like children whose taste-buds are used to the heightened sensations of food enhancers; give them a bit of fruit and it will have no taste to them... | ||
| Pádraig Collins Member Username: Pádraig_collins Post Number: 3005 Registered: 05-2005 |
Mr and Mrs General Public don't even notice Jeff, so they have nothing to be bothered about. Only us geeks care. | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 3296 Registered: 05-2005 |
Well whatever, i'll get em. | ||
| Jeff Whiteaker Member Username: Jeff_whiteaker Post Number: 1722 Registered: 10-2004 |
You'll have to let us know how they sound, Spence, if/when they do come out this century. | ||
| spence Member Username: Spence Post Number: 3303 Registered: 05-2005 |
i have been playing meat is murder in the car al the time recntly, along with the concubines and the latest wilco album. the production sounds on mim are just plain weird, the drum sounds are shit, the guitars have this caustic reverb on them, the bass is trying to funk you up throughout, but is restrained sound wise, so as to not funk you up too much (as this was the grey manchester sound) and moz's vocals sound like he recorded them in a bath tub. i still adore the album and its songs. i really do think the songs on this album hang togetehr so well, some of the best lyrics of all time, along with one of the best bass lines of all time, barbarism...but weird production, i'd love to get the 2 inch master tape and get a shot at the desk to create my own version, i'd love to hear my production on this (well i would!) | ||
| skulldisco Member Username: Skulldisco Post Number: 357 Registered: 10-2008 |
actually, that could be a good thread. great albums that "sound" like shit. apart from strangeways, most of the smiths albums would be in contention. nearly every album produced by john leckie and steve lillywhite? these guys had cloth ears!! | ||
| Andrew Kerr Member Username: Andrew_k Post Number: 475 Registered: 04-2005 |
The worst offender for that category in my book is the Chills' "Brave Words". 'Muddy' would be doing it a favour! There was talk of remixing it (even not long after its' release), but it never came to anything as far as I know. | ||
| Michael Bachman Member Username: Michael_bachman Post Number: 1561 Registered: 01-2005 |
Hot about remainder of the SST albums that Greg Ginn still won't give up? Opal-Happy Nightmare Baby is one I would love to see remastered. | ||
| Randy Adams Member Username: Randy_adams Post Number: 2085 Registered: 03-2005 |
Poor "Brave Words" . . . . | ||
| Jeff Whiteaker Member Username: Jeff_whiteaker Post Number: 1728 Registered: 10-2004 |
Josef K's "Only Fun in Town" might be a contender. I mean, as brilliant as that album is, the entire recording sounds like it was mastered through a handheld transistor radio! I don't know, though, Kev - which Leckie produced albums do you think sound like crap? He did the Dukes of Stratosphear records which I think sound awesome, not to mention Felt's "Strange Idols," Magazine's "Real Life," the Fall's "Wonderful & Frightening," "Saving Grace," and "Bend Sinister," all of which I think sound great. | ||
| Jeff Whiteaker Member Username: Jeff_whiteaker Post Number: 1729 Registered: 10-2004 |
Oh, and another obvious one: Stooges - Raw Power. For me it's their masterpiece, but god damn, Bowie botched that mix big time. | ||
| Jerry Clark Member Username: Jerry Post Number: 961 Registered: 08-2004 |
Raw Power was sorted about 10 years ago. Yeah, Leckie's productions always sound crystal clear to me. Was there not enough 'dirt' in the mix for you, Kevin? Steve Lilywhite is usually like listening to a time capsule. | ||
| Jeff Whiteaker Member Username: Jeff_whiteaker Post Number: 1730 Registered: 10-2004 |
Jerry, actually they made Raw Power *worse*! The re-mix is (to borrow Randy's phrase) violently over-compressed, LOUD, and during the re-mix, Iggy had them include every single "whoop!", "yalp", and "ALRIGHT!" that had been left out in the original mix. I don't know anyone who takes the re-mixed version seriously. | ||
| skulldisco Member Username: Skulldisco Post Number: 360 Registered: 10-2008 |
on leckie, i'll concede real life, and for producing P.I.L's debut single he deserves special credit. im mostly ambivalent regarding his input on the fall albums that jeff mentioned but i dont think he enhanced them. my dislike of his productions in general is because i always found the records to be too "shiny", or "trebley", a sound that i am averse to but which others might find love i guess. | ||
| skulldisco Member Username: Skulldisco Post Number: 361 Registered: 10-2008 |
speaking of remasters, this has really got me excited!! http://www.factmagazine.co.uk/index.php? option=com_content&task=view&id=3212&Ite mid=26 | ||
| Michael Bachman Member Username: Michael_bachman Post Number: 1566 Registered: 01-2005 |
I've been waiting for a remastered double disc version of Raw Power. Until then, Fun House remains my favorite Stooges album. | ||
| Jeff Whiteaker Member Username: Jeff_whiteaker Post Number: 1732 Registered: 10-2004 |
Hey, well this is amusing (from Pitchfork): "Morrissey would like it to be known that he has not been consulted by EMI/HMV/Parlophone with regards to two forthcoming boxed sets of Morrissey singles. Morrissey does not approve such releases and would ask people not to bother buying them. Morrissey receives no royalty payments from EMI for any back catalogue, and has not received a royalty from EMI since 1992. Morrissey also does not approve of, and was not consulted on, the Rhino box of Smiths CDs, or the Warner releases of Smiths LPs on 180 gramme vinyl. Morrissey last received a royalty payment from Warners ten years ago, and, once again, he would ask people not to bother buying the reissued LPs or CDs." Is he *really* not getting any royalties from these? Or is just bitter about having to share them with Mike Joyce? | ||
| skulldisco Member Username: Skulldisco Post Number: 363 Registered: 10-2008 |
confirmation... http://www.factmagazine.co.uk/index.php? option=com_content&task=view&id=3220&Ite mid=26 | ||
| Andreas Severins Member Username: Andreas_severins Post Number: 98 Registered: 11-2007 |
Thi is my remastered and rearranged release of the year (I have to say I have the feelies already...) http://www.insound.com/Richard_Hell_and_ the_Voidoids_Destiny_Street_Repaired__PR E-ORDER_LP%2BCD%2BPoster/productmain/p/I NS61199/ |